Spring Valley Spectacular

[DPdiscer]

Birdshot presents its 9th event of the Greater Houston Championship Series, Spring Valley Spectacular. What makes Spring Valley Spectacular? Play in the tournament on Saturday, Sept. 6th and find out. There will be input from DG consultants Andi Lehmann and Don Young, also the Montgomery County Chain Gang. I don't know the members of the Montgomery County Chain Gang. There is Matt Stillwagon, Mark (Dutch)Olden?, Matt Stevens? Dixon Jowers? Jim Kelly? Stephen Foss? Rusty Barkley? Seth Johnson? Hopefully the Spring Valley team will step it up as they are losing to the Agnes Moffitt team 119 to 71. :mad: The last tournament to count towards the Greater Houston Championship Disc Golf Course is in October and then the North and South teams will play off in Huntsville. Jack Brooks is squashing Quail Valley Links 154 to 58 to lead the South Conference. :p Check out the details at Birdshot's website www.houstonbirdshot.com (http://www.houstonbirdshot.com) or www.titledisc.com (http://www.titledisc.com)

[DPdiscer]

Billy and I will be out at Spring Valley Saturday morning about 9 to evaluate the course and play it of course. We will probably be joined by Andi and Don. Come on out and join us to practice for the upcoming tourney.

[bmugwump]

I'll post this here also! Titledisc is down this morning (?)...please go to houstonbirdshot.com & download your entry form & mail it to me. This tourney is just two weeks off, so let's get rolling Birdshooters!

[bmugwump]

Titledisc is back up...but you can still mail me registration directly & save those fees!

[DPdiscer]

Billy and I went out to Spring Valley to evaluate the course for the tourney and could not find one single thing wrong. Kudos to Andi, Don, and the crew at Spring Valley (Owner, maintenance man). DG consultants said that hot dogs and pizza slices would be available for $1. Go ahead and overeat at lunch and see how that 2nd round goes. I did notice something that I can not mention on the message board. We were joined by Matt Stillwagon, Andi, Don, and Stephen Foss for a fun round. Montgomery County Chain Gang will be in force at this tourney. We did see what we thought was a water mocassin.

[bmugwump]

Just one week away, folks! Please don't wait until the last minute...go ahead & send in those registrations now or sign-up through Titledisc. It may not seem like it today by looking at the numbers that have already pre-registered, but this one could very likely fill. You're all just waiting til the last minute like you usually do...and then it might be too late!

[ChingLizard]

By all means folks - please register for this one so that you don't end up missing it!!!

I can't imagine anyone missing a chance to play an inexpensive tournament on the best course in town!!!

Where are ya Lance? How about you too Mr. Ed? Mr. Lewis? :confused:

Let's get em in!!! :D

[Mr. Blue]

Great practice for the Spring Valley tournament on Sunday at the Commando Mini. 9 AM. There will be those of us who will play a second round as well. :D

[tarazarr]

played 3 rounds on the finess yesterday - the course is in incredible shape, and the breeze was like having air conditioning (early morning anyways):) I've never seen this course in this good of shape:) best 3bucks I spent all weekend

[brennan]

I was there yesterday also, were you with a group?

[tarazarr]

played the first 2 rounds with a bandmate.
our bass player showed up for the 3rd round and we played with 2 guys from Kingwood who hadn't been out on the finess course before. So yeah the last round was a group of 5.

[bmugwump]

Hope registrations are already in the mail if you're planning on playing Saturday...if not, don't wait til noon Friday to sign up on titledisc...do it now! A lot of us are looking forward to this one...don't miss out!

[ChingLizard]

A couple of folks at last night's HFDS meeting expressed some surprise about the tourney coming up this weekend...maybe they'll be contacting one of you guys to get registered. :eek:

[ChingLizard]

Hey!!!


I just peeked at the reg. list on the PDGA site and noticed some guy named "Ron" in advanced...who the heck is that? :eek: Does he know that his nick-name was used by another Houston player? :D

[LOU18132]

I think that's Rob "The Peashooter Engle'" evil twin. Twin brothers of different mothers.

[scoot_er]

Hope registrations are already in the mail if you're planning on playing Saturday...if not, don't wait til noon Friday to sign up on titledisc...do it now! A lot of us are looking forward to this one...don't miss out!



Once again I won't pre reg for a division with only two players! If there isn't 4 people then there probably shouldn't be a division.

Now if I can take a few day of signups I may go.;)

[robengle]

Hey!!!


I just peeked at the reg. list on the PDGA site and noticed some guy named "Ron" in advanced...who the heck is that? :eek: Does he know that his nick-name was used by another Houston player? :D

"Ron" theGUN is not nearly as cool as "Rob" theGUN. AND he is playing in my division! I am going to punch him in the face when I see him.

OUCH! That was a bad idea :mad:

[Jake Walsdorf]

Once again I won't pre reg for a division with only two players! If there isn't 4 people then there probably shouldn't be a division.

Now if I can take a few day of signups I may go.;)


Sign me up Scooter... :rolleyes: Wait, I won't know until Friday night :mad:. Guess I won't see you..:p

[bmugwump]

If all you guys waiting would just go ahead & register, maybe more people would go ahead with you & sign up too! We've had more than four players in the open division in tourneys past....some of you still don't come out. Why are so many people against pre-registration? I certainly wouldn't drive out of town not knowing whether I'd be able to play or not...I don't think I'd want to drive across town either. Like we've been saying since springtime (when we started pre-registration only)....it certainly makes it easier on us and ultimately gets us started on time & finished by 5:00. When we did walk-ups, we were getting finished around 7-7:30 at night (in the dark!)....I for one like the idea of being finished before suppertime. Not just as an organizer, but as a player as well. Kudos to those groups that have been around forever & can do it all that same day & get people done at a decent hour. I guess we're not as well coordinated as those Austin & Golden Triangle guys. Of course, most of those events that I've been to seemed to have a core group of at least 10-12 helpers....we have gotten help from people (you know who you are) and we appreciate it...but there have also been a couple of times when mostly it was Chuck & myself. I know a few weeks ago on this site some people were suggesting that maybe we shouldn't be running sanctioned tournaments if we can't run one the way the "experienced" TD's do it. All I can say to that is....do you really want to drive out of town to play in a sanctioned tournament? And as far as championship courses go...Birdshot can't help it that there are only maybe two such courses in Houston...and one of them we're not allowed to even play because of the freaking homeowners association! We are doing the best with what we have...from the outset Birdshot was geared toward mostly recreational players who were interested in playing sanctioned tournaments to get a rating, gather up some points & experience and not have to drive out of town to do it. Blah-blah-blah-blah...I've said all of this before! It's in our mission statement for chrissakes! If you don't want to play...fine...don't come! But don't be critical on this site about the people who seem to think this once a month tournament thing was/is a great thing! Probably 95% of the people I talk to appreciate the fact that we're hosting this series...it's a very small minority that have been critical...and all the criticism has been here on this board....by people that never even come out to play! Either come out & join us & help this thing to grow & become better...or (for lack of a better term) SHUT UP!......Nuff said...get registered today & come join us Saturday for a fun tourney!

[bmugwump]

Okay...maybe SHUT UP was a little harsh...but I meant everything else! (LOL) Seriously.....let's all get involved & make this a better disc golf town. Let's get in touch with local parks departments & goose 'em to maintain disc golf courses even half as well as they maintain ball golf courses....start a league at your local course...get people interested & involved. After we had one of our monthly mini's in Seabrook a few months back, the next thing you know there were a group of guys who came up with bag tags for that course. We did another mini a few months later there & people were handing us money for course maintenance. This led us to get in touch with the parks department in Seabrook about putting in alternate boxes....they not only okayed it but said there was money in their budget to pay for the materials to do it! Of course, you know how government works....slowly! The materials haven't materialized yet, but I'm sure they're serious about it & it will eventually happen (we just need to stay on them)...the point is, it wouldn't be happening at all if we hadn't put on the mini in the first place & got the locals excited about it! This is the kind of thing that Chuck started Birdshot for in the first place...and is a great example of hopefully starting a fire with a spark. This can happen in more parks & communities...if and when YOU GET INVOLVED!

[bmugwump]

Boy, I'm more full of it than usual today...slow day at work!

[LOU18132]

Billy you have to realize, if you drove out of town you would be able to play. You just might have to move up a division. It's pretty tough for open players to move up, cause for the most part they can't move down, unless their rating permits. As for some that don't play your events. NO DAY OF SIGN-UPS. That's my beef. I can play in many different divisions if I choose and have moved up many times, single and less than four player divisions, Petty

[Suemac]

Have to concur with the old guy. For a group who claims to be open to suggestion, you guys sure are inflexible.

I am sure I will be burned at the stake for that comment. By those new communists. LOL

BTW......I've never played Twin Parks, and that is where I'll be headed.

[bmugwump]

The ONLY thing we've been steadfast on is the pre-registration. If you guys can't understand or don't care about our reasoning behind it then I'm sorry. As I said before, if we had a core group of people that we knew would be there then maybe it would be a different story...ultimately that's up to Chuck & right now he likes it the way it is (especially since he's the one doing the paperwork with PDGA). We've been open to suggestions & changed a couple of things (like extending titledisc another day)....I find it hard to believe that the only bone of contention is the pre-reg stuff! And as far as having an idea whether or not you'll have decent competition, it seems to me that with pre-registration you know going in. How would morning of the event help you if you are the only open player to show up? Of course, we would let you play in a lone division if you want to...PDGA says that's okay & up to the TD. Sure, it's not any competition...but you can still play if you really want to...and we will not force you up into a division that you either don't belong in or would get trounced in. It's my understanding that some of the out of town events will either say move up or go away. I know we can't please everybody...but we try. I'm tired of defending our stance on this subject though.....either you'll pre-register & come out & play with us or you won't...if not, then it's your loss.

[robengle]

Why are so many people against pre-registration?

I think because we are accustomed to being able to decide the night before whether to go to a tournament. Simply, we are spoiled.

Thank you for what you do!

"Ron"

[LOU18132]

I don't believe I've ever been told to go away, at least not from a tourney.

[bmugwump]

I think I was remembering something Larry said about going to an out of towner & not letting him play if there was no division for him to move up or in to. Anyway...it's good to see the good humor & we appreciate the fact that you appreciate our efforts...now c'mon out & play, gawldarnit!!!!

[Suemac]

The ONLY thing we've been steadfast on is the pre-registration. If you guys can't understand or don't care about our reasoning behind it then I'm sorry. As I said before, if we had a core group of people that we knew would be there then maybe it would be a different story...ultimately that's up to Chuck & right now he likes it the way it is (especially since he's the one doing the paperwork with PDGA). We've been open to suggestions & changed a couple of things (like extending titledisc another day)....I find it hard to believe that the only bone of contention is the pre-reg stuff! And as far as having an idea whether or not you'll have decent competition, it seems to me that with pre-registration you know going in. How would morning of the event help you if you are the only open player to show up? Of course, we would let you play in a lone division if you want to...PDGA says that's okay & up to the TD. Sure, it's not any competition...but you can still play if you really want to...and we will not force you up into a division that you either don't belong in or would get trounced in. It's my understanding that some of the out of town events will either say move up or go away. I know we can't please everybody...but we try. I'm tired of defending our stance on this subject though.....either you'll pre-register & come out & play with us or you won't...if not, then it's your loss.

If I sign up early, and then have to cancel let's say on Friday, I can't get my money back.

One person divisions (when that doesn't need to happen)
One person divisions (those doing have alternatives)

And I still haven't gotten over Nicole being abandoned at Mozola. {shaking head} I just don't get that one, and ignorance isn't a good excuse for this one.

One person divisions, oh, I already mentioned that.

Oh, one more thing.............wrecklessly moving tee boxes. Thereby changing the dynamics of holes that didn't need to be moved any way but BACK behind boxes deemed poor.

If these were the only pdga events I had ever played, I wouldn't realize what I was missing out on. I have put on my wicked woman cape and just want to complain. j/k
Guys you are serving a need and thanks for that. Over time, you will get better at it, good luck in the future.

[robengle]

I don't believe I've ever been told to go away by Ron "thepeashooter".


GO AWAY!

and bring me back a beer when you come back.

I miss you, LOU :(

Ok, I'm over it.

[ERicJ]

If I sign up early, and then have to cancel let's say on Friday, I can't get my money back.
Nor should you, per the PDGA 2008 Competition Manual (http://pdga.com/documents/2008/08CompetitionManual.pdf) section 1.3.D.

Note also section 1.2.A which states "Pre-registration is required for PDGA Major & National Tour events and strongly suggested for all other tier events."

[LOU18132]

[quote=ERicJ;1335]Nor should you.

PDGA RULES!!!!!!!! You do the work they get the money. As for getting your money back, that should be up to the TD, not the PDGA. Those that don't give your money back with proper notice should not be running tourneys. Unless your making your living off of running tourneys and want to be greedy. Oh wait, then you get deported. Sorry Chris I couldn't help myself. GOOD DAY.

[ERicJ]

Competition Manual 1.3.E states withdrawls prior to seven days before the event shall be refunded 50%, and 1.3.F states that prior to 14 days shall be refunded 100% (less postage & handling). I guess that's your proper notice.

Lou, are you advocating that PDGA sanctioned event TDs should pick & choose which rules they want to follow?

[Mr. Blue]

I love how this topic gets brought up just before EVERY BIRDSHOT TOURNAMENT! I love how the topic is always brought up by people who DON"T PLAY BIRDSHOT TOURNAMENTS! I love how it's the same people, the same complaints, and yet these tournaments keep getting participation numbers that are well over 60% capacity or better! I especially love the lectures from some on how .... the old guard..... you fill in your blank. Here's to the old guard, they guys and gals who got it all started. I thank you for what you have established. I thank you for starting a sport my son and I equally enjoy. Thank you for your time and effort. Sincerely. That said, new blood brings new ideas and new methods. Mistakes will be made, feelings will be hurt, but damnit I can't name one person at ANY BIRDSHOT EVENT that I've been to (All but 2), where the people who were there weren't there for the betterment of HOUSTON DISC GOLF AND HOUSTON TOURNAMENTS! Hey old guard..... ain't that what you were after?
You old guard want new blood to step up? Show up this Saturday.... I'll leave it at that. I think that new blood will surprise you. If you spent less time bitching about what new blood doesn't do, you'd see what new blood does and is..... the BASE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SPORT! Be a spectator at a Birdshot event. I wonder why you don't? If you did, you'd see cool people, many of them old and new. You'd see people who genuinely CARE about the future of the sport here in Houston. If all you have to gripe on is what we keep seeing, then I revert back to my statement from the beginning of the Birdshot series....... you don't have to play (and you don't). Bitching about preregistration is fine, but this other crap about divisions of one, people on mixed cards, etc, is anything that wouldn't be solved BY YOUR PARTICIPATION! Sue, if you played in the women's division, maybe they would have had enough people to NOT have wrong cards. Obviously your experience and your being a contestant would have lended themselves as a solution to the problem. Lou, man, I love it when you get on a roll here. Your points on preregistration are valid, but again, it is BIRDSHOT"S policy. That is why you don't play them, and we all get it. Billy and Chuck, quit fighting people who don't affect your tournaments. You are getting more sponsorship, more support, and more people. I'd focus on THAT snowball effect as it is the one that will carry you into a better future. I'm sure that you will change some things for next year, but I also respect that you are trying to maintain the integrity of the series by not changing the rules mid series. Go with it gentlemen, you keep seeing the same people and then some at every tournament. These guys ARE the current new blood in Houston because they are off their asses and doing something rather than verbally crapping on the "newbies". I know I'm gonna catch hell for this post, but as I've always said, I want this sport and the sport in Houston to be better in the future for my son. Lou, I'd venture to guess that you of anyone here would understand and appreciate that. I've donated time, money, resources, and my participation to make that hope a reality. I think we as a community are taking the baby steps to make that happen. I invite the "old guard" to work WITH these guys, not just pay them lip service. I'm Matt Stillwagon, I support Birdshot and their efforts. I will be at Spring Valley on Saturday, having sponsored a hole, paid my entry, and helped with the course evaluation. What are you currently doing to better disc golf in Houston? If you are doing something productive, thank you on behalf of my son, and myself. If you aren't, well that's your choice.

[ERicJ]

Very well said sir.

[scoot_er]

How about making these events SN qualifiers VS PDGA?

Many of us on here do not attend for reasons other than Preregistration. I personally don't play because I don't want to drive 2 hours to courses I can play any day to play with 3-4 people. Also the fact there are PDGA points at these events are somewhat pointless when there are so many 1 person divisions.

I have offered to take day of signups and if you are going to not allow them in order to be on time you better make sure you run on schedule.

To many of us we go to events mainly to have an excuse to play golf on cool courses we don't normally play so local events may not be as appealing as larger out of town events.

Anyway I will play next year if there are still tournaments being run and once you get all the kinks worked out.

[tarazarr]

I love how this topic gets brought up just before EVERY BIRDSHOT TOURNAMENT! I love how the topic is always brought up by people who DON"T PLAY BIRDSHOT TOURNAMENTS! I love how it's the same people, the same complaints, and yet these tournaments keep getting participation numbers that are well over 60% capacity or better! I especially love the lectures from some on how .... the old guard..... you fill in your blank. Here's to the old guard, they guys and gals who got it all started. I thank you for what you have established. I thank you for starting a sport my son and I equally enjoy. Thank you for your time and effort. Sincerely. That said, new blood brings new ideas and new methods. Mistakes will be made, feelings will be hurt, but damnit I can't name one person at ANY BIRDSHOT EVENT that I've been to (All but 2), where the people who were there weren't there for the betterment of HOUSTON DISC GOLF AND HOUSTON TOURNAMENTS! Hey old guard..... ain't that what you were after?

You old guard want new blood to step up? Show up this Saturday.... I'll leave it at that. I think that new blood will surprise you. If you spent less time bitching about what new blood doesn't do, you'd see what new blood does and is..... the BASE FOR THE FUTURE OF THE SPORT! Be a spectator at a Birdshot event. I wonder why you don't? If you did, you'd see cool people, many of them old and new. You'd see people who genuinely CARE about the future of the sport here in Houston. If all you have to gripe on is what we keep seeing, then I revert back to my statement from the beginning of the Birdshot series....... you don't have to play (and you don't). Bitching about preregistration is fine, but this other crap about divisions of one, people on mixed cards, etc, is anything that wouldn't be solved BY YOUR PARTICIPATION! Sue, if you played in the women's division, maybe they would have had enough people to NOT have wrong cards. Obviously your experience and your being a contestant would have lended themselves as a solution to the problem. Lou, man, I love it when you get on a roll here. Your points on preregistration are valid, but again, it is BIRDSHOT"S policy. That is why you don't play them, and we all get it. Billy and Chuck, quit fighting people who don't affect your tournaments. You are getting more sponsorship, more support, and more people. I'd focus on THAT snowball effect as it is the one that will carry you into a better future. I'm sure that you will change some things for next year, but I also respect that you are trying to maintain the integrity of the series by not changing the rules mid series. Go with it gentlemen, you keep seeing the same people and then some at every tournament. These guys ARE the current new blood in Houston because they are off their asses and doing something rather than verbally crapping on the "newbies". I know I'm gonna catch hell for this post, but as I've always said, I want this sport and the sport in Houston to be better in the future for my son. Lou, I'd venture to guess that you of anyone here would understand and appreciate that. I've donated time, money, resources, and my participation to make that hope a reality. I think we as a community are taking the baby steps to make that happen. I invite the "old guard" to work WITH these guys, not just pay them lip service. I'm Matt Stillwagon, I support Birdshot and their efforts. I will be at Spring Valley on Saturday, having sponsored a hole, paid my entry, and helped with the course evaluation. What are you currently doing to better disc golf in Houston? If you are doing something productive, thank you on behalf of my son, and myself. If you aren't, well that's your choice.

Dude you rock! I'm signing up today even though I'm going to have to pay my "non PDGA member" penalty, that's cool I'll become a member on Jan 1, 2009.

I agree with absolutely everything you said (and believe me I was wondering if there was anyone else out there that did) Thank you for saying it

To the "Old Guard": You rocked before, we "newbe's" (that's me and probably anyone else with less time in the game than you) sincerely thank you, you've been recognized respectfully as the grandfathers and grandmothers of the local scene. It's time to mend the fences, bury the hatchets and give some mutual respect and support to those who are willing to help pick up the torch you carried for so long alone. Your experience and knowledge could be a priceless gift to everyone who is trying to further the same dreams you had many years ago. It's time for you to rock again. Come on out and lead by example...once again

I'm Scott "Tarazarr" Hawkins, I'm committed to supporting Birdshot and their efforts, I too will be at Spring Valley on Saturday helping to support the "pros" that show up by donating my entry fee and penalties :) and to support growing disc golf in Houston.

Thank you "old Guard".
Thank you "Birdshot"
and thank you Matt Stillwagon for being a voice of reason.
I'm looking forward to meeting everyone in this unique, awesome group of disc golfers on Saturday!!!

I'll be the 43 year old "new blood newbie" who has no idea of what I'm doing out there with a bald head and a grey goatee, (I should be easy to spot another words :) )please come up and introduce yourself, thanks

[ChingLizard]

I invite the "old guard" to work WITH these guys, not just pay them lip service. I'm Matt Stillwagon, I support Birdshot and their efforts. I will be at Spring Valley on Saturday.

I don't know if I'm considered "old guard" or not, but I'll be there! I'd like to think that I'm still contributing to the promotion of disc golf in Houston and elsewhere...:cool: At the very least, I'm pretty sure that I qualify for that "old" part anyway. :o

When I first began playing disc golf, we used to consider that HFDS was composed of the "good ol' boys" club. It seemed like it was some kind of exclusive group of folks that mostly had stopped playing and therefore was "out of touch" with the avid dgers I found out at Moffitt. Then because of the Moffitt tee box project, I had to begin going to meetings in order to make a proposal and get funding for the project.

After I went to a few of them, my views about these guys started to change when I realized that all of these folks were "just like us." There wasn't any secret club. The old guard as Matt likes to call them, are just players like all of the rest of us. It seems sorta funny to me that I might be considered part of the "old guard" or the "good ol' boys." :eek:

I invite anyone that loves playing the game of disc golf to get signed up for this tournament so that you can play on the best course in Houston!

My name is Larry Kruse and I approve of this advertisement! :D

[Mr. Blue]

And Larry, you are an example of an "old guard" who gets it. You are one of the ones who participates still. Again, I have no problem with the old guard other than the crapping on the newbies. It is no wonder some don't "step up" as has been implied on this very board. With people who think that because THEIR projects are not the focus of all, then those who don't participate in these projects are lazy, excuse makers, or somehow ungreatful for what the "old guard" has done.
I spent 10 years in the fire service, so I know the "good ol boys" side. When I became a captain, I had old guard guys on my crew whose respect I had to earn, fair or not. The difference here is that those guys trusted me, even as a new officer, to take the lead. They ribbed me, and ripped me at times, but in the end, they allowed a "newbie" the opportunity to infuse new ideas, training methods, and habbits that were for the better of the crew. I don't see that model being followed here. Not to the extent that it should. If I offended you Larry, I appologize, as I was not relying on your AARP membership to lump you into a specific group, but rather an attitude that exists. LOL. See ya Saturday man.

[robengle]

I don't know if I'm considered "old guard" or not,

No Larry, you are not "old guard" because I was around when you came in and I am definitely NOT "old guard". Let's not say "old". Let's say "the good 'ol boys". I like that ;-)

Actually, both are kind of offensive.

[mattman]

hey use my number as it is for sale 17764.






I don't know if I'm considered "old guard" or not, but I'll be there! I'd like to think that I'm still contributing to the promotion of disc golf in Houston and elsewhere...:cool: At the very least, I'm pretty sure that I qualify for that "old" part anyway. :o

When I first began playing disc golf, we used to consider that HFDS was composed of the "good ol' boys" club. It seemed like it was some kind of exclusive group of folks that mostly had stopped playing and therefore was "out of touch" with the avid dgers I found out at Moffitt. Then because of the Moffitt tee box project, I had to begin going to meetings in order to make a proposal and get funding for the project.

After I went to a few of them, my views about these guys started to change when I realized that all of these folks were "just like us." There wasn't any secret club. The old guard as Matt likes to call them, are just players like all of the rest of us. It seems sorta funny to me that I might be considered part of the "old guard" or the "good ol' boys." :eek:

I invite anyone that loves playing the game of disc golf to get signed up for this tournament so that you can play on the best course in Houston!

My name is Larry Kruse and I approve of this advertisement! :D

[mattman]

old gaurd Larry? what eva! go score something

[bmugwump]

FYI - We've always given money back with proper notice....I have a check registry to prove it. Unfortunately the morning of the event does not constitute proper notice....the night before shouldn't be proper notice either. By that time we have already calculated the payout, which really speeds things up with DGC getting the vouchers together for their payout. You see, we really do have good reasons for doing the pre-reg....believe me, I'm tired of pissing people off with this issue....but we do have our reasons.

[frisbeeguy]

Gee whizzzz - people got's to chill out!

Pre reg is a fine policy. Don't like it - then don't do it. Want to play, then sign up. Simple.

The returns / cancellation policy is posted.

Their goals are public knowledge.

Thanks for stepping up & running your series. Keep doing it your way. What your doing is good for the sport.

I'll be there playing Open. Just got off the phone with a player who is signing up for Masters.

Sue, Twin Parks is a great place - you'll like it!

See y'all Sat...unless yur skeerd!

[bmugwump]

Damn, Matt...and I thought I was long-winded!!! Thanks so much for your support & help & friendship....yeah, people...friendships! Wow! An unexpected side effect of playing this thing called disc golf...imagine that! I'm not trying to fight anybody, man....I am a genuinely nice guy who likes to get along with people. That's my problem...I hate conflict...I guess that's why I try to explain our way out of these message board "battles", even though I guess I need not bother since, like you said, the people who have complained don't even come out to play. However, I...like you...wish that they would. It seems to me that it would only make things better, not worse. When I talked to Tarazarr earlier this morning, he told me of his reluctance to play in any of our previous tournaments because of the "battles" on the message board...he rightly assumed that it would spill out onto the course...but we all know that's not the case. The only bad day I've ever had was maybe Mazolla because it was so damn hot! I had a pretty bad headache going that day....the computer was on the fritz....we screwed up on cards (especially regarding Nicole's position...I hope she forgives us & doesn't think we did it on purpose, Sue!)...it was a temporary course & a lot of the bitchfest started the week before that tournament. Every other tournament we've had though has run smoothly & on-time...and I always genuinely have a great time (even when I don't have a great game). So...again...thanks, Matt! And thanks to everybody who comes out to play...and there are usually a lot of you.

[tarazarr]

When I got here..I did think the online fighting I saw/read was probably what I would experience at a tournament, so I figured that's not for me. I thought it was stupid to pay good money in these hard times to go out and do what you love doing just to be caught up in a bunch of negativity/drama. Hell I get more drama in my bands then I can handle:cool:

After Matts post saying the people who show up, are positive people who love the game and really want to and are probably willing to get involved in growing this sport here I changed my mind - no I'm not asking for a cookie - thank you:D

I am a total convert today - Lou I joined the PDGA this morning - thanks for the ribbing in an earlier thread, I deserved that one (the rest of 2008 is free) I'm good through 2009. (though I guess I still have to pay my 10.00 penalty for Saturday) - it's all good:)

We all love DG - so "Can't we all just get along" - I believe some motorist said that as he was getting the crap beat out of him by a few cops on camera.

I have much respect for all those who came before and paved the way - I want to help pave the way for my son and his friends as well.

I'd love to get to know the "Old Guard", hear their stories and learn from their experiences as I hope to be around this sport long enough to someday be looked at by the youngest youths getting into the sport today as one of "their" old guards, who did something positive and continues to do positive things for them and the sport locally.

So whatever the pressing issue is with each person, I just hope we can all step back, take a breath, forget "our" issue and remember only how much we love this cool little sport, come together as a dysfunctional family can sometimes, and figure out a way together to correct what's wrong and move forward together and keep it growing here. For crying out loud...our discs are still sold on the toy isle at Academy..LOL...See, there are some bigger fish to fry and that's the first one in my book that should be addressed :)

[bmugwump]

Scott, if you download your PDGA receipt & bring it with you Saturday then you won't have to pay the additional $10 for non-members...we need to see the receipt though because PDGA won't get you in the system for a few days at the very best (usually a couple of weeks). Once again, I'm looking forward to meeting you & possibly playing on a card with you as well.

[mattman]

Hell I get more drama in my bands then I can handle:cool:

damn drummers LOL

[tarazarr]

Scott, if you download your PDGA receipt & bring it with you Saturday then you won't have to pay the additional $10 for non-members...we need to see the receipt though because PDGA won't get you in the system for a few days at the very best (usually a couple of weeks). Once again, I'm looking forward to meeting you & possibly playing on a card with you as well.

Just printed it....cool I didn't expect that:)

Thank you big time!

[tarazarr]

Hell I get more drama in my bands then I can handle:cool:

damn drummers LOL

It's worse than raising children...I tell you:D

At least my children share my DNA

[robengle]

When I got here..I did think the online fighting I saw/read was probably what I would experience at a tournament. :)

I have been playing tournament's for about 8 years and can count the negative experiences on one hand. One is heat stroke at the Fahrenheit Fling and another is hurting my back while playing and having to have discectomy surgery. I have maybe acted like a jerk from time to time at a tournament but never had anyone act the same to me.

Looking forward to Saturday. Thanks Birdshooters!

[bmugwump]

We're even more flexible than you thought, huh?

[LOU18132]

Lou, are you advocating that PDGA sanctioned event TDs should pick & choose which rules they want to follow?[/quote]
They do!

[tarazarr]

We're even more flexible than you thought, huh?

not only that, but given the chance, your going above and beyond to be accomodating and more than fair. I'm really looking forward to it and maybe by the next tournament I can get my drama filled bandmates to join up....mmmm wait a minute, maybe bringing drama's not a good thing:D JK they're good guys, 1 for sure will be there next time.

[tarazarr]

Once again I won't pre reg for a division with only two players! If there isn't 4 people then there probably shouldn't be a division.

Now if I can take a few day of signups I may go.;)


It looks like there are now 3 people registered in the open division...you and Lou would make it 5. Come on sign up there's still time and us newbie wannabe's would sure love to see what a properly thrown disc could do:)

[bmugwump]

I'm not sure until league at Jack Brooks tonight, but it's quite possible Bubba Berry will be playing open Saturday as well.

[LOU18132]

It looks like there are now 3 people registered in the open division...you and Lou would make it 5. Come on sign up there's still time and us newbie wannabe's would sure love to see what a properly thrown disc could do:)

Look at my rating, Lou don't play open, I'm just a Hack. And not so proud of it

[tarazarr]

Look at my rating, Lou don't play open, I'm just a Hack. And not so proud of it

sorry I didn't do my homework:D...your rating, his rating, my non existant rating, non of that matters to me.

Do you love the game? Do you love competing? The olive branches are extended...just sayin...I think both sides can reach out a little and meet in the middle together

[LOU18132]

Love the game, but played enough tourneys the competition part is no big deal. I'll talk to scoot_er and see. As for olive branches I get along with all, except Dufrane, he's an A$$.

[scoot_er]

"helping to support the "pros" that show up by donating my entry fee and penalties "


Tarazarr, you aren't supporting us considering we don't even get but 85% payout at C-tiers. Now imaging if your PDGA membership was another $25 like the "Pros". Have fun playing an AM division at a PDGA event.

[mattman]

Love the game, but played enough tourneys the competition part is no big deal. I'll talk to scoot_er and see. As for olive branches I get along with all, except Dufrane, he's an A$$.

I vote for chatty chad too


oh, and why can't someone love the game and keep cash in there pocket?

[LOU18132]

To answer your question, Gas and Beer. And Chad qualifies though don't see him around much.:cool:

[rcazares]

The only bad day I've ever had was maybe Mazolla because it was so damn hot! I had a pretty bad headache going that day....the computer was on the fritz....we screwed up on cards (especially regarding Nicole's position...I hope she forgives us & doesn't think we did it on purpose...

Nicole and I both think the Birdshot guys are doing a good job. She told me she was "a little sad" about not getting to play with the women at Mazola. However she still had a good time. She enjoyed playing on a card with CJ (who is very talented), since she rarely gets to play disc golf with someone her own age. She thought Rick and Randall where very nice, and also enjoyed being on their card.

I told Nicole that the Mazola card situation was a learning experience for the TDs and that they would handle things differently in the future. She was satisfied with that, and it is a non issue as far as she is concerned.

Nicole and I are very happy that Birdshot is running sanctioned PDGA tournaments in Houston. We think they are doing a good job and will continue to improve with experience.

Thanks............Rick

[tarazarr]

"helping to support the "pros" that show up by donating my entry fee and penalties "


Tarazarr, you aren't supporting us considering we don't even get but 85% payout at C-tiers. Now imaging if your PDGA membership was another $25 like the "Pros". Have fun playing an AM division at a PDGA event.

Man that was just my way of saying...I love competing, but there's no way my game is competitive enough to win, my game ain't there yet:o holes 2,8,11,18 expose so much weakness in my game it ain't funny, I'm not a lumberjack by trade....but I do play one on the course at SV, I should probably dress up like Paul Bunyan Sat. morning :) so really what I meant by pro is just anyone who has allot more game than I got man. It wasn't meant in any other way

[bmugwump]

Rick & Nicole...it's good to know there aren't any bad feelings about what happened at Mozola...thanks for the kind words & your understanding. Now, will somebody please tell Suemac that Nicole's not upset with us?

[Jake Walsdorf]

Rick & Nicole...it's good to know there aren't any bad feelings about what happened at Mozola...thanks for the kind words & your understanding. Now, will somebody please tell Suemac that Nicole's not upset with us?

Suemac, Nicole is not upset with Billy or Chuck...:D

Billy - Thanks for taking sign-ups at Brooks last night. Thats about as last minute as you can ask for I guess.

Scoo_ter, we added a couple to the Open division.

Looking forward to seeing everyone except maybe Lou. I never seem to play serious when he's around...:rolleyes: However, I have been dominating lately! We'll see. Oh, and if anyone sees Dan Fisler, tell him I'll be watching his footwork when he putts.

[LOU18132]

Jake you don't mean Mr. FFF, Foot Fault Fisler, is he already in your head?

[Jake Walsdorf]

There's just so much room in my little head you see; I don't want it on my mind tomorrow; so I'm calling him out now to get in his head. We'll see if it works. I feel better already...

[LOU18132]

Just in case you forget I'll remind you tomorrow, just trying to help you out old timer.

[icantdrive355]

Jake & Lou: I know "FFF" does not regularly monitor this message board, so I took the liberty of updating him of your posts. He asked that you also make sure he doesn't have a "cold one" during his rounds and you might want to make sure his "water" bottle is acceptable as well. ;)

[LOU18132]

His own FAULT.

[LOU18132]

BART PLAY UP you #%^@##*%?&!#. You have a boot directed at you Saturday brother, just stand on a box so I hit your butt. You preach and preach and preach and the choir still has to go to sleep.:p:rolleyes::D

[scoot_er]

Jake & Lou: I know "FFF" does not regularly monitor this message board, so I took the liberty of updating him of your posts. He asked that you also make sure he doesn't have a "cold one" during his rounds and you might want to make sure his "water" bottle is acceptable as well. ;)


I'm pretty sure these are PDGA events!

Make sure he remembers to stand on..........I mean behind his mini. It is a little distracting and some are too nice to call it.

He beat me by a stroke a while back so sometimes these things matter but I don't think I have to worry anymore.

[ChingLizard]

I hope that everyone had as much fun playing in the Spectacular as I did!

I saw many, many new faces out there yesterday! It was truly wonderful to see!

Thank you to Birdshot for putting on another tourney, and I'm really glad it was at Spring Valley! (Nice n shady all day long! :D)

[DPdiscer]

Thank you too Ching Lizard! A lot of people came together to put on a real fun tournament at a kickass Spring Valley location. Northside is looking strong. Why is that? Southside is pretty strong too though.:cool:

[robengle]

Weather was great, good to see everyone again!

[mattman]

was bart using my plastic?

[Jake Walsdorf]

was bart using my plastic?

Must have been Matt, because the discs kept getting lost.:rolleyes: