MPM division

[JimG520]

What will the local TDs do for this division this year? Will birdshot and others allow a 1 man division or do I need to petition the PDGA to move down to am? I want to get back into tournament golf, but I'm not competitive in open, not old enough for GM and I've taken cash in the past.

[griff]

Provided your rating is less than 970 you can play in am divs even after taking cash , aside from nt's and Majors

[ERicJ]

If a registered Pro want to play MM1 you need to be rated under 935.
Ratings breaks for Pros playing Am are shown at the bottom of this grid:
http://www.pdga.com/documents/player-divisions-grid

[griff]

He's right

[ChingLizard]

Jim,

You might want to check out the details at this link: http://birdshot-dgproshop.com/policies/

But, in a nutshell, it looks like BS will run 1-person divisions at a C-tier, and 2-player divisions at B-tiers...just in case you have to stay in MPM division because of your rating.

I generally play in MPG because I'd rather play for cash than more plastic, but I'll move to Am division if there aren't enough in MPG. In your case, I see some pretty good competition in the MM1 division if you are allowed to play in Am divisions.

Larry

[JimG520]

I'm curious what my rating will be. I haven't played in a PDGA tournament in over 6 years, and probably only 2 or 3 since 2004. My rating was about 970 back in '03/'04. Not sure how it's calculated in my case. I guess I'll find out when i get reactivated on the PDGA site.

[The Colonel]

Hey Jim, I was pretty much in the same boat. I believe it will pick up where it left off, and you rating will still be 970 until there's something to factor in that will change it.

[JimG520]

Hey Jim, I was pretty much in the same boat. I believe it will pick up where it left off, and you rating will still be 970 until there's something to factor in that will change it.

Heh, it'll change pretty quickly.

[JimG520]

http://www.pdga.com/faq/ratings/how-is-your-rating-calculated
All rated rounds you have played and have been reported to the PDGA within 12 months of your most recently rated round will be included in the calculation. However, if any one of those ratings is either more than 100 points below your average rating or more than 2.5 standard deviations below your rating – whichever number is smaller – that round will not be included. That works out to about 1 in 50 rounds getting dropped. Rounds where you DNF (Do Not Finish) are never counted in your rating. The most recent 25% of your rounds get double weighted which slightly boosts your rating if you have been steadily improving. If a player has fewer than 8 rounds in the past 12 months, since their most recent round, then we’ll go back up to another 12 months until we find up to 8 rounds but never go back any farther than a total of 24 months.


I may not have any rating since I don't have any PDGA rounds in the last 24 months. Either that, or my initial rating will be whatever it was when I last played, but at the next cycle, it'll be reset to only include rounds from this ratings period.

[ChingLizard]

Do you have an idea about what rating you're playing at these days? I'd guess around 920-930 but that is a pure, subjective guess on my part. I'm thinking that it should provide you an opportunity to play either Advanced Master or Pro Master divisions.

[JimG520]

Do you have an idea about what rating you're playing at these days? I'd guess around 920-930 but that is a pure, subjective guess on my part. I'm thinking that it should provide you an opportunity to play either Advanced Master or Pro Master divisions.

Yeah, that sounds about right. Probably at the low end of that. Well I signed up as MPM for Sugarland. If I'm in my own division, that's fine.

[JimG520]

If a registered Pro want to play MM1 you need to be rated under 935.
Ratings breaks for Pros playing Am are shown at the bottom of this grid:
http://www.pdga.com/documents/player-divisions-grid

And I'm officially 950 (for now) based on 6-7 year old data. So I could play MA1, but not MM1 until my rating more accurately reflects my current ability.

[ChingLizard]

I'm on the reg. list in MPG, but I spoke with Billy last night and he is agreeable to letting me (or more) switch to MPM on the day of.

I'm still a big "maybe" for the tourney, but if I have to work this Saturday, then I can withdraw from the tourney that morning.

Larry

[JimG520]

Holy crap, we actually have a 3 person division even with ChingLizard staying in GMs.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament_results/99691

[ChingLizard]

Good to see that Jim! Holy cow! I see 72 registered already...looks like we should be expecting to see 5-somes and more-somes out there Saturday. Oh well...that's why they make tri-pod stools. :D

I'm won't be definite until the boss gets back into the office on Friday. I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Larry

[ERicJ]

Good to see that Jim! Holy cow! I see 72 registered already...looks like we should be expecting to see 5-somes and more-somes out there Saturday. Oh well...that's why they make tri-pod stools. :D
Hopefully no more than four-cards. 19 holes and 76 player cap.

[JimG520]

Wouldn't it be crazy if ALL the old guys played together in one big division instead of 4 different small divisions that completely overlap each other? Here's the results this weekend sorted by score (along with the actual prize/$ won and division played).

Steve 114 $159 M1M
Christian 116 $185 MPM
Neal 116 $155 MPG
Ronnie 118 $96 M1M
Cory 120 MPM
Marcus 120 $185 M1G
Larry 121 $95 MPG
Don 121 M1M
Fred 121 $103 M1G
Adam 121 $103 M1G
Jim Hudson 122 MPG
Edward 123 MPG
Bruce 124 M1M
Dennis 124 M1G
Jim Garnett 129 MPM
Arnold 133 M1G
Billy 136 M1G

[ChingLizard]

I don't know Jim, it worked out better for me that we didn't. I got to win $95. Going your route, I would've cashed only if we paying out 50% of the field.

I've got more frisbees than I can possibly lose in my lifetime so I don't really want to play for more merchandise...I get enough merchandise when I play leagues.

I think that there should've been a larger MPM field but I can't explain the decline in the MPM numbers these days. 5 years ago, we used to see very large Master fields, and Grands rarely had enough to make a division...now it's been flipped.

Larry

[JimG520]

I think that there should've been a larger MPM field but I can't explain the decline in the MPM numbers these days. 5 years ago, we used to see very large Master fields, and Grands rarely had enough to make a division...now it's been flipped.

You guys all got old. :)

[griff]

Wouldn't it be crazy if ALL the old guys played together in one big division instead of 4 different small divisions that completely overlap each other? Here's the results this weekend sorted by score (along with the actual prize/$ won and division played).

Steve 114 $159 M1M
Christian 116 $185 MPM
Neal 116 $155 MPG
Ronnie 118 $96 M1M
Cory 120 MPM
Marcus 120 $185 M1G
Larry 121 $95 MPG
Don 121 M1M
Fred 121 $103 M1G
Adam 121 $103 M1G
Jim Hudson 122 MPG
Edward 123 MPG
Bruce 124 M1M
Dennis 124 M1G
Jim Garnett 129 MPM
Arnold 133 M1G
Billy 136 M1G

I'm eligible too :-) , don't forget about me....

[JimG520]

Yeah, I guess that's a problem. If the division became big enough where there there was real money for the top spots, the actual good players who are over 40 would swoop in.

New tournament format proposal:
Do registration with no pre-determined divisions. Once the field is set, divide everyone into 3 or 4 divisions determined only by rating.

[ChingLizard]

New tournament format proposal:
Do registration with no pre-determined divisions. Once the field is set, divide everyone into 3 or 4 divisions determined only by rating.

Wouldn't that then make it (effectively) a "Ratings based" event? I've always been curious to try playing in one. How would payout be structured if the whole line between Pro/Am gets blurred by it. If you're an Am, you take your payout in merch and if a Pro then cash?

I'd be interested in trying it out once.

[ERicJ]

New tournament format proposal:
Do registration with no pre-determined divisions. Once the field is set, divide everyone into 3 or 4 divisions determined only by rating.Wouldn't that then make it (effectively) a "Ratings based" event? I've always been curious to try playing in one. How would payout be structured if the whole line between Pro/Am gets blurred by it. If you're an Am, you take your payout in merch and if a Pro then cash?

I'd be interested in trying it out once.
That was almost the format I wanted for the first Showdown.
I originally had: Pro, Adv, Int, Rec, Nov, Women, Junior.

The age-protected guys raised a huge stink...

[ChingLizard]

That was almost the format I wanted for the first Showdown.
I originally had: Pro, Adv, Int, Rec, Nov, Women, Junior.

The age-protected guys raised a huge stink...
I can't remember if I was one raising a stink or not, but I would guess so. The problem with what you proposed Eric, is that it sort-of retains the same division names and their implied baggage that go along with them. Change it to color division codes, or something else dissimilar to the existing Pro/Am division names, and then us age-protected folks probably wouldn't see it as stepping up or down. It would all be new to everyone.

I'd like to discuss ideas about how payout would be handled for the players wanting to play for cash versus plastic. Seems like it becomes a little murky at that point. Maybe players should have to declare at sign-up time whether they are cash or plastic. Then the only thing left to decide is how the TD would want to distribute added cash, or what to do with the wholesale to retail profit margin.

It seems do-able though. Are you and Jim interested in trying to take a stab at setting up a framework for one? I'm on the hook to run a fund-raiser tournament for TC Jester. We have bag-tags already for a Jester bag tag program similar to Moffitt's and assignment of tags would seem to fit with running a ratings based event for it...

Larry

[JimG520]

Wouldn't that then make it (effectively) a "Ratings based" event?

Yes, but normal ratings events have the problem of fixed ratings breaks. If everyone above 970 (or whatever) have to play in the top division, people with ratings in the low 970s are at a huge disadvantage. They may choose not to play knowing they're likely to be towards the bottom of their group.

My proposal means you probably don't know if you're going to be near the top, bottom or middle of your ratings division until the field is set.

Meh, I dunno, just a thought.

I've always been curious to try playing in one. How would payout be structured if the whole line between Pro/Am gets blurred by it. If you're an Am, you take your payout in merch and if a Pro then cash?

That works for me...

[JimG520]

That was almost the format I wanted for the first Showdown.
I originally had: Pro, Adv, Int, Rec, Nov, Women, Junior.

The age-protected guys raised a huge stink...
I can't remember if I was one raising a stink or not, but I would guess so. The problem with what you proposed Eric, is that it sort-of retains the same division names and their implied baggage that go along with them. Change it to color division codes, or something else dissimilar to the existing Pro/Am division names, and then us age-protected folks probably wouldn't see it as stepping up or down. It would all be new to everyone.

I would like to play in a (relatively) large division with people at/near my skill level. I had a great time playing with Christian and Cory last weekend (as well as the two open guys that got stuck on our card), but I miss playing in a larger field.

I don't think I care about division names, but I do agree with Larry about the cash/merch distinction. If my level is Intermediate, then I'm happy playing with other Intermediate players, but I don't want to play for merchandise, and I don't think my wife wants me bringing home any more discs either.

Maybe players should have to declare at sign-up time whether they are cash or plastic.
The problem with that is if it's a non-PDGA event, why would anyone opt for plastic? They can take cash and retain their Am status. And if you want to do something like this as a fundraiser, you don't want to make it a PDGA event. Too much overhead.