Golden Triangle & Birdshot to Host Pleasure Island Open February 7, 2009

[bmugwump]

Just to get things started hopefully, this is an official invitation for all of you Birdshooters out there to come on up to Port Arthur on February 7 for this year's Pleasure Island Open! Dustin Galmor with the Golden Triangle gang has been asking us this past year about hosting a Birdshot tournament there & he finally talked us into it! We'll also be playing Klein Park in Beaumont this summer in conjunction with these guys. If you've been to this annual tourney in Port Arthur before (I forget how many years this will be) you know how much fun it can be (and how cold a couple of times!)....if you haven't been, you need to come check it out. It's the only course left of a series that were used in Worlds a few years back (yes, there was a Worlds there!). Dustin says they will have some sort of players pack put together....not sure yet whether it will be a tee shirt or a stamped disc, but probably one of the two. We are in the process of getting it sanctioned & of course you can go ahead & pre-register through the mail to me. We're looking forward to this one & you should too!

[TBender]

There were 2 Worlds held there! :)

[LOU18132]

There where more courses at Worlds, this is the only one left, cool course though.

[scoot_er]

There where more courses at Worlds, this is the only one left, cool course though.


Well until Rita decided to take away all the trees!

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Well until Rita decided to take away all the trees!

theres still a tree or two out there... more than quail valley for sure :D

hole 1 before Rita
http://gtdiscgolf.com/gallery/data/2/tee1.jpg

Hole 1 after Rita
http://gtdiscgolf.com/gallery/data/500/tmpphp2YsOlC.jpg

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Oh, and its the "7'th Annual Pleasure Island Classic"

[bmugwump]

Sorry I got the name wrong! I should have looked at my shirt before I came to work! By the way, peoples.....considering this is going to be two cities of disc golfers coming together I would say there's a really good chance that it will fill....another good reason to get registered early.

[Mr. Blue]

Thanks for the pics DG, I never got the chance to play that course pre Rita, but what a tremendous difference! I always liked playing that course, but I will say this, THANK GOODNESS the tournament is being held in February. I went out there the last two summers in a row and had to weigh my son down so the giant mosquitos didn't take off with him! :D

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THANK GOODNESS the tournament is being held in February. I went out there the last two summers in a row and had to weigh my son down so the giant mosquitos didn't take off with him! :D

Yea, thats why we try to hold it in the cooler months. I can play in cold driving rain, but I can't handle breathing in mosquitos, literally! :eek:

[bmugwump]

Chuck & I are planning a road trip to play both Pleasure Island & Klein on MLK Day (Jan. 19th)....we're going to meet up with the Golden Triangle gang & play. If anyone's interested in following us up, let me know.

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this is the artwork Fuzzy (scott linthicium) designed for this event. we hope to get it on some shirts and discs/mini's

http://gtdiscgolf.com/gallery/data/500/medium/PIClassic09-finalweb3.jpg

[bmugwump]

That's great, Dustin! If you get that on shirts I want one!!! Too funny...and I love the tie-in with PIC....remember burning those things at the drive-in movies? Wait a minute...how old are you? You may not remember drive-in movies!!! Anyway...you would burn these things in your car & it was supposed to keep the mosquitoes away. I usually found that it attracted them....I think they got off on it! Once again tournament playing hopefuls...get your registration in early for this one before it fills!

[Fuzzy]

Drive-in movies?? How did yall fit those gigantic cars into a movie theatre??? j/k

Im too young to know about drive-ins and DG is younger then me. Pretty cool how things can work out sometimes though, had I known about PIC mosquito repellent I woulda played off that a LONG time ago. Good to know.

I propose from here on out that the Classic forever be known as PIC! It worked for Kentucky Fried Chicken.

[bmugwump]

That's pretty wild that you've never heard of the PIC coils...I thought for sure that's what you were tying in with the mosquitoe! You would light one end of this coil & it would burn like insence...like I said, they never seemed to work very well...I would think they were good at repelling humans! Look it up on Google & see if they have a link.

[DPdiscer]

I filled out the online registration application today. We'll see how fast it gets posted. Birdshot is back to prereg only. Too bad the Ace Pot is only starting at $84 before registration. Good chance for an Ace on this course.;)

[Suemac]

Wow. Too bad you guys didn't fully understand the benefit of day of registration. :(

Guess I won't be attending, as I am sure I wouldn't know for sure until the last minute. And it would be too late to ask for a refund before I would know for sure. Oh well.

So, on top of your fee, everyone is to pay the pdga for the privilage to play your event. I know about the snail mail, so don't bother mentioning it. If I didn't find out about being able to play until the Thursday before, the only way I could sign up would be to pay the online fee.

It already sucks that we get a $5 discount for pdga membership,and then have to give back $3 when we renew our membership on line....................great changes at the pdga.

[_d_g_]

Wow. Too bad you guys didn't fully understand the benefit of day of registration. :(

I agree Suemac, I like day off signups too, but with only 72 spots, it probably won't make it to day of sign-ups anyways

[Suemac]

I do understand, and that is more and more the case, but saying your "are not" going to do it, and offering it with the condition that only applies if the event isn't full.................just sounds more positive, and flexable. If the event is full.........a mote point.

[Midnightbiker]

When is the tournament at Kline Park going to be?

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When is the tournament at Kline Park going to be?

I'm pretty sure Klein is in July

[ERicJ]

It already sucks that we get a $5 discount for pdga membership,and then have to give back $3 when we renew our membership on line....................great changes at the pdga.

http://www.pdga.com/join

So call the toll free phone number and join/renew that way... :rolleyes:

If you are a current HFDS member and you do call be sure to mention you want the affiliate club membership before anything else because that's a completely different form they have to use on their end.

ERic

[bmugwump]

Regarding Chuck's decision to keep our pre-registration policy, it seems to me that the only benefit of having day-of registration is to the benefit of the person waiting until the last minute to decide if they want to come play! And I have posted before that if people want to fax me their registration (as late as Friday afternoon before I leave work) and pay Saturday morning that's cool too. We have your info on paper and a commitment that you're going to be there. If people that take advantage of that ever stop showing up & paying, then I won't do that anymore either. So far so good with people faxing me & paying Saturday morning. On the other hand, the benefits of pre-registration are obvious....we get started on time & finish before dark & everybody gets to go home & eat!

[Suemac]

how funny that they wouldn't charge a fee for a manual registration, but do for online. LOL

I will call Addie.

[Ave Satani]

Sorry you can't make it Suemac. We appreciated your raffle items last year. They were a big hit.

[Suemac]

I might be able to make it. Will have to see, if not, I will send some stuff over.

[Suemac]

Regarding Chuck's decision to keep our pre-registration policy, it seems to me that the only benefit of having day-of registration is to the benefit of the person waiting until the last minute to decide if they want to come play! And I have posted before that if people want to fax me their registration (as late as Friday afternoon before I leave work) and pay Saturday morning that's cool too. We have your info on paper and a commitment that you're going to be there. If people that take advantage of that ever stop showing up & paying, then I won't do that anymore either. So far so good with people faxing me & paying Saturday morning. On the other hand, the benefits of pre-registration are obvious....we get started on time & finish before dark & everybody gets to go home & eat!

What if a fax machine isn't close by? Might an email work?

[bmugwump]

I wouldn't have a problem with an e-mail...I wish we were set up through houstonbirdshot.com to be able to do an on-line application through our site, but right now all you can do is download the form. If Chuck doesn't balk at the idea, I don't see why that would be a problem. To me it would still be a written committment that you will attend. Chuck's e-mail is on our website & my e-mail is gbmugwump@aol.com.

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We're gonna have 50 custom tourney stamped discs...

25 Boss's and 25 Glow Ontario Rocs

ALSO custom tourney stamped mini's added to the players pack!!!

[ThePatrick]

That's a pretty good choice for a tourney stamp disc. Also, anyone wishing to hand in a registration for this can meet me or Tiff up on the North side, and even save postage. She is usually out at Moffit on Tues. and Fridays. PM me or her to make sure.

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had fun playing with the birdshot guys today!

it was wwwwwwiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnnnnddddddddyy yyyyyyyy at Pleasure Island but the skeets were far and few between

looking forward to the Classic in 3 weeks

[bmugwump]

Dustin was not exaggerating about the WIND!!! We had fun though...and it was good practice for the tourney (if I can remember what NOT to do!)...Hope to see this one full of players!

[chessguy]

Just remember...keep 'em low and flat in that WIND!!!

Enjoyed playing with you fellas. Thanks for coming to town.

[bmugwump]

Greetings! PDGA finally got the online registration running for this one, so you can sign-up that way if you'd like....register at pdgasignup.com or go to the tournament schedule on PDGA's website & there is an icon that links you to registration...it looks like a little inkwell! As usual, save the fees & mail me a check...also, we are working with Nick Escobedo to have people be able to actually fill out the registration form on Birdshot's website & e-mail it to us & we would collect your money the morning of the event. We are doing everything we can to help people get in at the last minute, but we really want to avoid day-of registrations for reasons that we've stated way too many times.

[bmugwump]

Okay, gang....we got an e-mail from a player (not a Birdshot person) who thinks it would be a big mistake to open up this e-mail registration idea. This person thinks that it would most likely result in a lot of no shows, which would be just as time consuming having to rearrange cards & recalculate payout as having walk-ups. This person is probably right....and I probably should have waited to post anything about it until we got more input from everybody. So...for the time being....we will continue with our current policy, which means mail me a check or sign up on-line. Sorry, Suemac......

[Suemac]

Someday, in the near future, I hope you guys can get your ducks in a row and do it like they've done for many years. Somehow, even before laptops, tournaments were conducted with day of registration, hole assignments were made, and great golf was played......and they didn't even have excel to help make things easier. WOW.

I'm sorry that this challenges you guys so much.


I will put a check into the mail today for PI. I know that I am not the only person who has this same thought.

[bmugwump]

Suemac, I know I haven't been to near as many tourneys as you (a fraction, I'm sure)....but I have been to a few in the past three years. And the ones I've been to where it was day-of, the tourney wouldn't start until maybe an hour after the scheduled tee-off and it would sometimes be dark before payout was done. It's not that we're afraid of it....we could certainly do it & get it done if we wanted to...but I kinda like being able to start on time & finish before dark. It seems like the players kinda like that too....and aside from a small handfull of dissenters like yourself...we tend to have 60 to 80 people sign up for most of our events. Maybe it's lazy....maybe it's because we would need more helpers than what we have to make it click faster...but the majority of the people I talk to have no problem with it. Again, it was a PLAYER who contacted us saying the e-mail thing was a bad idea.

[scoot_er]

Suemac, I know I haven't been to near as many tourneys as you (a fraction, I'm sure)....but I have been to a few in the past three years. And the ones I've been to where it was day-of, the tourney wouldn't start until maybe an hour after the scheduled tee-off and it would sometimes be dark before payout was done. It's not that we're afraid of it....we could certainly do it & get it done if we wanted to...but I kinda like being able to start on time & finish before dark. It seems like the players kinda like that too....and aside from a small handfull of dissenters like yourself...we tend to have 60 to 80 people sign up for most of our events. Maybe it's lazy....maybe it's because we would need more helpers than what we have to make it click faster...but the majority of the people I talk to have no problem with it. Again, it was a PLAYER who contacted us saying the e-mail thing was a bad idea.


You must not play all the great events then. Check in my stats I'm sure there are at least 10 that did day of and were awesome events. Gimp also did that pretty well as most of his included day of.

The events you may go to billy aren't always the notorious events that are know for high quality.

[bmugwump]

The tourneys I've been to where everything ran quickly had a core group of people at least ten strong working on everything....the ones that took a while were more like us with maybe 3 or 4 people helping...tops! And it wasn't that they were bad tournaments or that they didn't run smoothly....but when you only have a couple of people working them it's going to take a little while to get everything together. And I'm sure that most of the ones you go to are run by people who have been doing them a long time. We are stubbornly trying to make it easier on ourselves with the pre-registration policy. Some have said in the past that if we can't do it the way they think it SHOULD be done, then maybe we shouldn't be doing them at all. I disagree with that. If Birdshot hadn't started up last year, how many tournaments would you have been able to go to here in Houston? Maybe three? And Moffitt Show isn't even sanctioned...it's a fundraiser. So that leaves Ice Bowl & States....and the couple that Andi did out at Spring Valley. We keep having this same conversation over & over here...this is the way Chuck wants to do it....I keep trying to give good reasons why he wants to do it this way...and some of you keep disagreeing with the policy. It's become tiresome & redundant...and sometimes people seem to contradict themselves. I've seen you post before (Scooter) that you wouldn't want to show up unless you knew whether or not you would have any competition....it seems to me that pre-registration would show you who has signed up & would help you to decide. There are all kinds of good reasons for pre-registration (from the TD's standpoint anyway)....but I guess I need to shut up & let Chuck defend the policy himself (unless he chooses to ignore these posts, which might be a good idea!).

[Smokin' Joe]

is the Ice Bowl sanctioned? :p

[bmugwump]

You know what, it might not be...I haven't been in a couple of years (it keeps falling on my granddaughter's birthday party day!) and I can't remember. I know it's a fundraiser for the Houston Food Bank, but I can't remember if it's sanctioned or not. If not, then there's one LESS sanctioned event that locals wouldn't be able to attend if Birdshot wasn't here!

[Suemac]

Ice Bowl isn't sanctioned unless that changed.

As for needing this FULL CREW to handle the crowds...............let's see, Gimp ran great events with Team Fatboy. That was Scott R. and Gimp, OMG! And on occasion Fatboy want to be, John Conger helped out with scores, etc.

I guess if you don't drive out of the local area, or when you do, you head to Twin Parks for a night golf event. (stupid layouts/clueless staff). After playing one event there, a Team Justice HOTT stop, I would still NEVER go back there. The courses are just not want they should be.

Just who runs these really bad out of town events you speak of???? I don't think you've played a Maceman event and he's notoriously slow on payout/awards, but he does day of sign ups and starts on time. But I don't have the time or interest in checking out your stats on pdga. Guess they are only events that offer Novice. :eek: j/k

Maybe a course in Excel might be the best investment you guys could make, I hope you have discovered the back button by now.

[ThePatrick]

Wow. SSDD. Really. Did you really need to spend the minutes typing all that out again. If you want to help, then make a suggestion to them. If they take it then there were obviously enough others that felt the same way to persuade them. If not, then there must not be a resounding majority to convince them.

[Mr. Blue]

I love it. This happens every tournament for you poor guys! I went back through as many tournaments as I could on this board tonight, and the message is the same. Hell, I'm a loud mouth on here sometimes too, but it has just gotten old. I swear. I think that in the best interests of saving time for people reading, anybody who keeps saying the same thing over and over should just write, "I _____ renew my previous objections." :p
Would that not sum up the long and short of it.
Sue, while I may not have been around as long as you, nor do I know the people you know, whatever. You seem to have this whole thing figured out, and it begs the question, when are you starting your Championship series? I mean, if nobody gets it but you, then by all means lead by example. Please! We all want what is best for the sport and the local scene, and since you have the answers, I would think you would run a world class event with no hitch to it or anything. So please, post your schedule of events for your series. ;)
FYI, I seem to recall a couple of past people who have run tournaments and I have been to other tournaments in other areas. TDs ALWAYS say the same thing...... THANK GOD THAT"S OVER! LOL!
Billy, Chuck, I'll have my lazy butt out there gents. I'll fax it, email it, hell I'll smoke signal it. See you all on the 6th!:D

[scoot_er]

. I've seen you post before (Scooter) that you wouldn't want to show up unless you knew whether or not you would have any competition....it seems to me that pre-registration would show you who has signed up & would help you to decide.


Yes it usually makes me decide not too play and I feel that more Pros would show up if you did allow day of signups. I really don't care as there are tournaments all around the state and its not like there is a shortage if you are willing to drive and at a point in playing DG some start going for quality over quantity.

I will continue to show up to smaller events around Houston but I am planning on laying of pretty much all C-tiers this year. Now I would have loved to have been at the Links as there was decent payout there since only two were paid out of six whereas before you would pay 4/7.

Also my 1st suggestion would be to not allow divisions with 1-2 people if they could easily fit into another. I used you guy's Moffitt event as an example on the PDGA board of how lame all the divisions can make things if they cause most divisions to have <5-6 people.

[bmugwump]

Suemac....I never said anything about "bad events"....please stop putting words in my mouth...I have too many loitering around in there already!

[bmugwump]

One last comment about this & I'll shut up....first of all, I'm sorry I even posted the "idea" in the first place about e-mailing registration. I was just spouting my personal opinion...and should have made that more clear that it was not a new Birdshot policy. I've spent plenty of time defending the policy...trying to convince naysayers why it makes sense, etc...and I personally wish that we had our **** together enough to be able to do walk-ups without any time delays & that sort of thing. I wasn't complaining about any tourneys I've been to that didn't start right on time or that I had to wait around for payout...I know personally how long it takes to do all that stuff! But until we do have all our ducks in a row & feel confident that we can pull it off quickly (and Chuck decides that he wants to do it that way), the policy shall remain the same...amen! Not dissing anyone...the more tourneys the better....please someone else step up & run a series of your own, etcetera, etcetera, etcetera.....(can I get another amen?)

[scoot_er]

"The more tournies the better"

Now that is a discussion trhat just popped up on the PDGA bored which basically claims that we are saturated with events and the PDGA approves 99% of the applications they take. The guy thinks that this makes for a bunch of mediocre events that should be unsanctioned and it also makes our higher tiered events less prestigious by getting lost in the crowd. He thinks we should have less events with the lesser events acting as supporters/qualifiers for the larger ones.

Kinda makes you think about it for a while as maybe more PDGA events is actually watering things down.

You may want to check out the TX disc golf discussion on the PDGA billy that is trying to get the State's TDs working together.

[DGJesús]

Freakin' Amazing!!!

Sue, I was out at Moffitt when you first started playing and you were driving MAYBE 70 feet. I was there when you joined your first league, purple division. There were Moffitt legends like Paul Richardson, Smokin' Joe, Aquaman, Thomas Burke, Matchu, and many others that had a blast helping you out and giving you pointers and giving you discs!!! They helped you because they got a little something back by watching you improve and noticing that as you improved, you enjoyed the game even more.

Even after you had been playing for a year and you were driving a lot farther and making more birdies than bogeys, those same guys only wanted to help you get better.

The guys that helped you are some of the best players in this area. But you don't see Smokin' Joe travelin' the world to play disc golf. Aquaman isn't shelling out big bucks to play any big sanctioned events. Why aren't you busting their chops? Why aren't you bad mouthing all of the Moffitt Rats who play JUST TO HAVE FUN!!! Why aren't you putting them down because they won't travel to any REAL tournaments? What is it about us wanting to play JUST to have FUN that just pisses you off to the point that you feel you have to put an end to it?


Your comments help no one and they discourage a few. You had a lot of good friends and mentors who wanted to give back to the game because the game had given them a lot of pleasure. Do you think you could derive some happiness by doing the same? Try it. Let Birdshot run one tournament without you posting to the thread. I'll even sit out for the same thread. Deal?

[Suemac]

Randy, you must really be old and have a foggy memory. The only one of that group who was out there when I began was Little Paul. He took me over to MacGregor for my first round. I started playing league the first week I threw a disc, and I know you were'nt there for that.

I was already playing when those other guys showed up at Moffitt, remember, I am really old.

You pointed out that they play casual, and that is great.

If as a ball golfer, you hold a PGA event, the sanctioning body, PGA, expects a certain level of consistancy at all events.

That's my only gripe. When pictures are painted that distort what lies outside this local area, that's what I don't like.


Now, what are YOU doing for the local golf scene. I guess I need to thank you in advance for staffing states in April, right? I donate lots of goodies and my time to the game I love so much.

If you weren't interested in stirring the pot, you wouldn't have posted this for your own benefit on the board.

You have your opinion, and I have mine, all is well in my book.

So, once again, thanks for your insight and have a great day.

[bmugwump]

Matt, Chuck told me the other day about the other State coordinator (besides Mr. Duke....who should be the official PDGA State coordinator). I hope you're not going to try to hold Birdshot responsible for the "deevaluation" of A & B tier tournaments in the State of Texas, though! I mean, Texas is a pretty big state....should C-tiers voluntarily unsanction themselves? Should the AM players just forget about competing unless they're good enough to play with the big boys & girls? I thought PDGA was trying to grow the sport....now they're saying it's gotten too big & oversaturated? It seems like you're trying to hint (again) that we should not run sanctioned tournaments.

[Suemac]

Who is this "other" state representative? :confused: Gary Duke is the only person I know who works with PDGA and the statewide TD's. I know lots of TD's and haven't heard about this before.

If it's Vinnie Miller, he's just a TD trying to accomplish a Pro leaning agenda for the state.

Please share this information, not saying the name is like trying to prolong this stuff or just to keep a secret. Does it make you feel special? :D

[Suemac]

Why are we requiring folks to be pdga current for States?

The cost of such a requirement, helps to keep those who are NOT serious about tournament play away from a BIG event.

That $10 non-member fee is highway robbery. If in fact your mission is to bring more people into the game, that extra cost doesn't help your cause.

THAT IS THE REASON WHY THEY WANT SOME OF THE SMALLER VENUES TO STOP SANCTIONING.

Back before the advent of so many one day events.............there really weren't C-tier events. As the tournaments have evolved, the infrastructure of the PDGA has remained static.

Not everything tournament needs to be PDGA. If you don't need the insurance for an event, I don't understand why you'd spend money to sanction it, if you were really just trying to get folks "feet wet" per say and introducing them to competition.

[ERicJ]

Why are we requiring folks to be pdga current for States?
It's a requirement for an A-Tier.

That $10 non-member fee is highway robbery. If in fact your mission is to bring more people into the game, that extra cost doesn't help your cause.
If the cause is to get more people to join the PDGA then the per event $10 fee will be weighed against the $50/yr fee and decisions made appropriately.

If you don't need the insurance for an event, I don't understand why you'd spend money to sanction it,
Another reason: Points. In town C-Tier events are inexpensive, easy ways to get some qualifier points. FPO/FPM minimum criteria is 20 points, AM Men need 1,000 points. You're not going to get to 1,000 playing just C-Tiers but for those players that don't want to or aren't able to travel all over the place to A & B-Tier events the C's help.

ERic

[DGJesús]

Could you possibly say one nice thing, give one positive comment about the Birdshot tournaments? That's all I ask?. Every single post you have in the Birdshot threads is negative and repetitive. The same complaints over and over again and it's just you. Are you telling me that the BS tourneys are the only tournaments that don't run according to your standards? Give me the link to one website on which your comment as often and/or as negatively as you do the BS tournament threads.

Sue, I've seen two women walk off the course in the middle of a tournament because they knew they were never going to finish because they were spending too much time helping you up off the ground.

Yes, we both have our opinion. I'm willing to put our opinions to a vote. Whoever gets the least votes gets off the board. If you're so sure that you are bringing a positive influence to the game, this should be a cake walk for you.

[Suemac]

You are right, I did drink too much of the lovely Southern Star Pine Belt Ale at Worlds Biggest last May. I have never denied that fact. As for Birdshot, I have said positive things from time to time, and acknowledge the benefit they are providing local players.

The problem is that no one or almost no one who is running those events had any signifigant tournament play or experience as an asst. TD when they started. To take on a series, holding an event monthly in a area that was starved for some type of organized toureny. Well, they were brave and didn't know any better.

I still want to know why they were not even willing to try the fax option. I don't know too many people who would take the time to fax something over and then not show. But, squash it before it is even tested??

Maybe it would just be easier to not care what happens in our local community. That would allow me to just be a player and watch from the sidelines. :D

[Suemac]

It's a requirement for an A-Tier.


If the cause is to get more people to join the PDGA then the per event $10 fee will be weighed against the $50/yr fee and decisions made appropriately.


Another reason: Points. In town C-Tier events are inexpensive, easy ways to get some qualifier points. FPO/FPM minimum criteria is 20 points, AM Men need 1,000 points. You're not going to get to 1,000 playing just C-Tiers but for those players that don't want to or aren't able to travel all over the place to A & B-Tier events the C's help.

ERic

I know why it is required. And I have NEVER seen ANYONE denied entry to Worlds, it is just "when" you can sign up. So, points don't matter that much. Otherwise, folks in areas where there isn't an event every weekend (UT) could never attend.

We know you love it for the statistics, ratings and such.

I understand how things work around here. And anyone who doesn't agree with you...................you don't like. I just wish you guys got it, and then there wouldn't be anything to complain about when it came to the events.

Sanctioning costs how much these days? $50? Just for some statistics and it comes out of the players fees, why not keep that for payout?

[Suemac]

As for States, I think if it is an A-tier for everyone, it should not include Rec or lower divisions, that's just my opinion, and what I was trying to say.

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[DGJesús]

Maybe it would just be easier to not care what happens in our local community. That would allow me to just be a player and watch from the sidelines. :D

Start out by not caring about what happens at Birdshot tournaments. No need to deny the entire community of your charming magnetic personality which we have all come to enjoy.

[scoot_er]

It's a requirement for an A-Tier.

Yes and normally Rec/Int remain a B-tier so they do not have to be members.


If the cause is to get more people to join the PDGA then the per event $10 fee will be weighed against the $50/yr fee and decisions made appropriately.

Why doesn't the PDGA raise the incentive to join instead of raising non-member fees a long with membership fees? I would NOT be a member any longer if it weren't for the A-tier stipulation and I know many other Pros who feel the same as the PDGA has done very little for the P in PDGA over the last decade or so.


Another reason: Points. In town C-Tier events are inexpensive, easy ways to get some qualifier points. FPO/FPM minimum criteria is 20 points, AM Men need 1,000 points. You're not going to get to 1,000 playing just C-Tiers but for those players that don't want to or aren't able to travel all over the place to A & B-Tier events the C's help.

Or they also hurt if you only get 15 points at an event and it is the AVG per event that counts.
ERic


Some of the BEST TX events used to be unsanctioned and were run by Himing but really nobody on here remembers that (only 3 years ago)

[scoot_er]

I know why it is required. And I have NEVER seen ANYONE denied entry to Worlds, it is just "when" you can sign up. So, points don't matter that much. Otherwise, folks in areas where there isn't an event every weekend (UT) could never attend.

We know you love it for the statistics, ratings and such.

I understand how things work around here. And anyone who doesn't agree with you...................you don't like. I just wish you guys got it, and then there wouldn't be anything to complain about when it came to the events.

Sanctioning costs how much these days? $50? Just for some statistics and it comes out of the players fees, why not keep that for payout?


$50 then $3 per player then 10% per player for Birdshot fees.

Another reason I don't play is because I see NO reason I should pay more for their gas then the Rec guys and have our entries reduced to the bare minimum in payout.

[DGJesús]

If as a ball golfer, you hold a PGA event, the sanctioning body, PGA, expects a certain level of consistancy at all events.
Why is it that Birdshot is starting their 2nd year of holding sanctioned tournaments? If the PDGA is up in arms about the way things are handled, why aren't they posting to complain; or even to support your rantings. You are the only one waving the PDGA flag but no one wants to salute.

When pictures are painted that distort what lies outside this local area, that's what I don't like.
Are you the only one that cares about the community? Give me 5 names of people you feel share your opinion? And then point out where they have spent 1/10th of the time you have trying to discredit Birdshot and their tournaments.

If you weren't interested in stirring the pot, you wouldn't have posted this for your own benefit on the board.
Of course I wanted to stir the pot for my own benefit. Hello!! Have we met?

Now, what are YOU doing for the local golf scene. I guess I need to thank you in advance for staffing states in April, right?
Like thousands and thousands of golfers around the world, I support local tournaments. That's what I'm doing to give back. THOUSANDS; that's more than one. 1000---1--- see what I mean? You don't add the one and the zeroes, that's one number. And I heard you arguing on the course last week and I just want to correct you. I Brazilian is a person from Brazil, it's not "a big number more than a million." And there's no reason for me to staff or organize any tournaments. Check out this website http://houstonbirdshot.com/ there are some kick ass tournaments every month for me to support by paying entry fees right here in Houston even. OOOOOOOOOO. You should check them out instead of sitting at home during the tournament and talking about all of the things that are being handled incorrectly . . in your humble opinion.

I donate lots of goodies and my time to the game I love so much.
Are you listening to yourself? You get a sincere "thank you" for everything you donate. Just like Andi and Don and HFDS; everyone gets noted and our appreciation is shown with applause and with our patronage. Does a few towels give you the right to post so many negative things about a group of people who are ALSO giving back to the sport in efforts that overshadow your donations by leaps and bounds. Get off of their back.

No one supports your opinion. Look back at the threads; I don't let go with this type of post except when it's directed at you. Let's take it to another thread and take the gloves off. In the meantime, try supporting one tournament before you post another criticism of the tournaments you don't even attend.

They fill up, Sue. Why go through all of the trouble of day of's or faxing when it isn't necessary. That's like telling Bill Gates if he made a few changes in Windows, he could make more money. That's an operating system by the way, not those rusty things on your mobile home.

[ThePatrick]

Was this the states thread? I thought drifting was a sport for cars.

[DGJesús]

$50 then $3 per player then 10% per player for Birdshot fees.

Another reason I don't play is because I see NO reason I should pay more for their gas then the Rec guys and have our entries reduced to the bare minimum in payout.

So don't play. That's your right.

[DGJesús]

Was this the states thread? I thought drifting was a sport for cars.

My apologies. Not for what I said but for contributing to the tangent.

"If life gives you lemons, there are starving children who are eating flies and here you are getting free lemons from life. How can you enjoy them?"

[ThePatrick]

F-u, F-u Randy You're cool. Who's coming with me to Pleasure Island?
My apologies. Not for what I said but for contributing to the tangent.

"If life gives you lemons, there are starving children who are eating flies and here you are getting free lemons from life. How can you enjoy them?"

[DGJesús]

F-u, F-u Randy You're cool. Who's coming with me to Pleasure Island?
I have to defend my title so I'm there.

[ThePatrick]

I think Eric will be a very strong contender. I may have to pay Jessica to put Icy Hot in his underpants that morning!

[DGJesús]

Eric studies disc golf too much for Jessica to get close enough to do us any good. :eek:

[scoot_er]

So don't play. That's your right.


I don't but why should the higher divisions have to pay twice as much in fees? Why not make it $2 per player or something instead of a % that takes more from the top?

You can't even break even at half the BS events if you win yet part of the reason is 15% of our payout is leaving the pot as soon as we enter. I would like to play an event every now and then like the upcoming one at bass but this policy really eerks me but I can see how you are fine with is as you aren't getting as much taken out. It just isn't fun to look at the payout and go "where did all the money go?"

[ERicJ]

I don't but why should the higher divisions have to pay twice as much in fees? Why not make it $2 per player or something instead of a % that takes more from the top?

You can't even break even at half the BS events if you win yet part of the reason is 15% of our payout is leaving the pot as soon as we enter. I would like to play an event every now and then like the upcoming one at bass but this policy really eerks me but I can see how you are fine with is as you aren't getting as much taken out. It just isn't fun to look at the payout and go "where did all the money go?"
The PDGA tour standard for C-Tiers is 85+% payout (Pro & AM).

Matt, I tend to agree with you that TD's expensing gas is less that desirable from a player's perspective. But as long as the Birdshot folks play by the PDGA rules and take their 10% management fee (up to a C-Tier max of $100) for expenses I don't really care what they use it for.

Note that the PDGA doesn't specify where that other 5% goes. Per an e-mail exchange with the Tour Manager, Dave says TDs can use it for sanctioning fees.

[DGJesús]

The PDGA tour standard for C-Tiers is 85+% payout (Pro & AM).

Matt, I tend to agree with you that TD's expensing gas is less that desirable from a player's perspective. But as long as the Birdshot folks play by the PDGA rules and take their 10% management fee (up to a C-Tier max of $100) for expenses I don't really care what they use it for.

Note that the PDGA doesn't specify where that other 5% goes. Per an e-mail exchange with the Tour Manager, Dave says TDs can use it for sanctioning fees.

See? Nothing!! But that beard makes him look like he might want to some day.

[scoot_er]

The PDGA tour standard for C-Tiers is 85+% payout (Pro & AM).

Matt, I tend to agree with you that TD's expensing gas is less that desirable from a player's perspective. But as long as the Birdshot folks play by the PDGA rules and take their 10% management fee (up to a C-Tier max of $100) for expenses I don't really care what they use it for.

Note that the PDGA doesn't specify where that other 5% goes. Per an e-mail exchange with the Tour Manager, Dave says TDs can use it for sanctioning fees.


85% is the minimum which is why I said they pay the min. I don't care that they pay for gas just that i pay more since I am in MPO then you do because you are in Rec. Why not take the same amount from everyone?

Brian Mace plays by the "rules" too but there are a lot of people who will no longer play his events due to the crappy payouts. Its all in how you work the numbers.

[TBender]

Brian Mace plays by the "rules" too but there are a lot of people who will no longer play his events due to the crappy payouts. Its all in how you work the numbers.


Mace's payouts aren't crappy, they're realistic. And they underscore the issue very well. Disc Golf is not a sport that sponsors are willing to throw money at. And those sponsors that do once, never see a return because disc golfers as a whole are notoriously cheap, so they don't repeat very often. Thus, you end up playing for each other's money.

[bmugwump]

Boy you guys were busy yesterday! Just a reminder to those of you reading this gripping novella that we are still having a tournament on February 7 and we would love to see ALL of you attend....even you lowly novices! Hey, wait a minute! Let me check my rating! Holy Cow!!! Now I'm even more of a novice than I was yesterday....slipped five points to 842! Am I ashamed? No. Will I keep playing? Hell yes! Remember....as a REC player I get way more excercise than the rest of you!

[bmugwump]

On second thought...maybe I am little ashamed....but I promise I'll try harder, Coach! I do agree with Scooter, though....the Novice division they started last year is just stoopid! I think most of us higher scoring players would be happier being classified as REC players.

[ERicJ]

It seems like many people are just hung up on the name "Novice". Obviously the PDGA should have just eliminated the names and stuck with MA1-MA4. Or gone with something more generic like MA1=A, MA2=B, MA3=C, MA4=D.

But I'm guessing there was some legacy reasons behind keeping the "Advanced", "Intermediate", etc. tags.

[Suemac]

Don't think it was the name, but more the fact that a fourth am division was not necessary. Or if used, it should have a lower ratings ceiling than 850, but as Billy said, he was fine playing Rec before offered another option.

[DPdiscer]

Just to clarify. The 15% is deducted equally from all players. 10% for management fee. The other 5% will be for course maintenance and/or awards. That's the TDs discretion.

[Suemac]

So, everyone's deduction is the same dollar amount (flat rate equally shared) or is it 15% of their entry fee?

[DPdiscer]

15% of their entry fee. If I tried to take a flat rate, I doubt if Novice would even have much of a payout since they don't have much to start with. Need to throw them a little something. So yes, the more your entry fee, the more you are contributing towards the fees. Kinda like the way the richer people pay more taxes (supposedly):rolleyes:. How would you do it Suemac?

[TBender]

UP everyone's entry fee $2 (or whatever).

List above amount on flyers as course maintenance fee (or whatever).

Have good examples of things done with monies when players whine about paying a fee for playing in a public park.

[Suemac]

15% of their entry fee. If I tried to take a flat rate, I doubt if Novice would even have much of a payout since they don't have much to start with. Need to throw them a little something. So yes, the more your entry fee, the more you are contributing towards the fees. Kinda like the way the richer people pay more taxes (supposedly):rolleyes:. How would you do it Suemac?


I like Tony's suggestion, and I was only asking for a clarification. I don't have a magic ball with all the answers. However, I think that it should be shared equally by all the players. Skill shouldn't be a penality.

[LOU18132]

Dang T-nony haven't you figured it out, Your suggestion is just too simple, it couldn't possible work. :confused:
There are no Links, or threads, or reCAPTCHA. It's just too simple to grasp for us lesser folks. NO WAY, horrible idea.
I don't see how any of the righteous disc golfers out there would complain about 2 dollars going to a good cause, they are all playing for fun. :cool:

[ERicJ]

Technology Lou... adapt or be left behind.

[LOU18132]

Technology Lou... adapt or be left behind.
When you retire at 43 and have been adapted for years, why have it be shoved down your throat daily? It is annoying to think there are no intelligent folks on this board that don't realize technology and how to use it. Come on, adapt to reality. :rolleyes:

You are not the only person on this forum with at least a ninth grade education. There are at least five that I know of that graduated high school.

Some even went to college, but we don't talk about them much anymore, or at least they don't associate with us, they be too good. LOL

[Suemac]

Lou, most of us found disc golf in an effort to forget technology for a moment or two. I still don't think he gets it. LOL

[DGJesús]

Better suggestion, if the Birdshot setup isn't to your liking, go find a tournament that is. LOL
65+ people per tournament think the setup is just fine. LOL
Are you really arrogant enough to think the tourney setup should be be changed just because 2 or 3 people (WHO NEVER PLAY THE TOURNAMENTS) don't like it? LOL
Are you arrogant enough to think the setup should be changed just so you'll show up from now on? LOL
I think we're having a lot of fun without you. "If you can't beat'em, join'em" sound familiar? LOL

By the way, here's a great link to post suggestions for Birdshot. This will save you the time of repeating the same suggestions/complaints/whining/bitching/drunken outburst EVERY tournament. You can take a bath with the time you save. LOL

http://www.hfds.org/vbull/showthread.php?p=4405#post4405

p.s. Do my LOL's make my comments less offensive? Neither do your's.

[DGJesús]

Lou, most of us found disc golf in an effort to forget technology for a moment or two. I still don't think he gets it. LOL

And we play to have fun; I don't think YOU get it. LOL

[DGJesús]

85% is the minimum which is why I said they pay the min. I don't care that they pay for gas just that i pay more since I am in MPO then you do because you are in Rec. Why not take the same amount from everyone?

Brian Mace plays by the "rules" too but there are a lot of people who will no longer play his events due to the crappy payouts. Its all in how you work the numbers.


How many posts have you made on his board, or how many emails have you sent to Brian complaining about the crappy payouts? Or is it just Birshot you complain about?

[ERicJ]

When you retire at 43 and have been adapted for years, why have it be shoved down your throat daily?
Lou, if you're really being held prisoner in your own home and being forced to log onto the HFDS forums daily... I feel for ya man. That must be sheer torture. Perhaps I should go back and re-read all your old posts, maybe they're really encrypted cries for help... and us 9th graders just weren't smart enough to see that.

[LOU18132]

It is entertaining here, kind of like Jackass or a train wreck. :eek:

Eric if you have the time or need to go back and read my post, you are a in prison for a long stretch. :cool:

[bmugwump]

Another friendly reminder that this tournament is only a week away...there's only nine names on the list right now. Dustin in Port Arthur said a lot of those folks will wait til the last minute also!

[Imnotobsessed]

Matt "If my discs ain't skyin, I'm dyin" Schion, I retrieved your Firebird from its muddy domain. I will attempt to return it in person on Feb 7

[Fuzzy]

Ill let him know. Of the several discs he lost, that one was one he wanted back the most.

[bmugwump]

Alright, Mighty Michael! Glad you're joining us....talk to you soon!

[Imnotobsessed]

I have at least one of Chuck's and 3 of yours Billy

[Imnotobsessed]

and a Dustin Galmor x out I think

[DGJesús]

I'M REGISTERED . . . and somewhat psychotically suicidal which is fortunate because everytime I try to cut my wrists I end up stabbing a neighbor . . .well, fortunate from my perspective. The widow Davis next door I'm sure has a different opinion.

Where was I? I'M REGISTERED!! I'm coming after you HighIron. As for Patrick, Eric, Tiff, Matt, Tracy, and the child wonder known throughout the lands as "Toy Gun" (although I still think he's a midget and Rick's younger brother), I've set my sights to a more realistic level. Me and the old man are going to fight it out for the bottom of the ladder for a change. We proved our point last year and we were getting bored whooping up on you yougin's tournament after tournament after tournament so you kids can have it this year.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this will be the first time in Birdshot History that 1st and 2nd from the previous season ended up 2nd to last and dead last the following year.

I should apologize for taking liberties with Mr. Curry's skills. I shouldn't have made that comment about 2nd to last and dead last. The way HighIron has been driving lately, it could be a tie.

I'll see everyone at Pleasure Island. In the meantime . . I probably won't.

I'll leave you with that provoking thought.

[LOU18132]

Long winded and still on the mark, dang what can you say? :eek::D:rolleyes:

[Mr. Blue]

LOL! Randy, the Apollo Creed of disc golf! LOL!:D

[bmugwump]

Fourteen players preregistered now....if you're mailing it in, get it in the mail today or tomorrow at the latest! Online reigstration should end on Thursday night (I think at midnight)...but don't wait til then! Don't let these small numbers fool you...some of you know how many people do the online thing the last couple of days....plus the past three years that I've gone to this tourney it's always turned out with a big crowd.

[Suemac]

That is only folks to signed up online? I know you got mine, and I'm not on the list. I also know that Emily is coming too.

See ya'll Saturday.

[bmugwump]

Chuck was out've town this weekend, Suemac...and he's doing the upload for this one. I'll call him tonight & let him know that you are wanting to switch divisions anyway (that's what he was waiting for last week) & we'll get you on the roster.

[Ave Satani]

I have 3 registration forms from locals. Can we still fax them? What is the number?

[Imnotobsessed]

Register today! I know everyone is waiting to see if there will be a tropical downpour and hurricane force winds -- It's going to be beautiful in Port A - well, ...... it will not be raining!

[Imnotobsessed]

Billy, do you need anything printed?

[Jake Walsdorf]

When you retire at 43 and have been adapted for years, why have it be shoved down your throat daily? It is annoying to think there are no intelligent folks on this board that don't realize technology and how to use it. Come on, adapt to reality. :rolleyes:

You are not the only person on this forum with at least a ninth grade education. There are at least five that I know of that graduated high school.

Some even went to college, but we don't talk about them much anymore, or at least they don't associate with us, they be too good. LOL

Only because you moved sooo far away...

[LOU18132]

Oh the smell of mesquite dust. :cool:

[Throw Innova]

so, is the fax option still open? what is the appropriate number?

[bmugwump]

My fax number at work is 281-286-9449....I'm here til 4:30!

[Suemac]

My fax number at work is 281-286-9449....I'm here til 4:30!
;) :eek: ;)

[Jake Walsdorf]

Oh the smell of mesquite dust. :cool:


I wanted a mini out of cherry...:)

[Ave Satani]

David Burns should be in Rec. He had someone sign up for him:confused:

[bmugwump]

Don't forget that on-line registration cuts off at 8PM tonight! If you've waited until the last minute to do this, don't wait until 7:59 tonight....do it right now! Also, if any of you reading this are in the Clear Lake area I'm heading over to Miramar Park in Seabrook after work today...probably get there around 5PM. Bart Taylor called me last night & said that some of the Seabrook folks would like to hook up & register....and I wouldn't mind getting a few holes in anyway. Also, someone posted that the parks department is working on repairing the course (from hurricane damage of course) and I want to check it out. If anyone out this way wants to meet me there, call me at 832-659-8449. I'll see the rest of you Saturday morning!!!

[bmugwump]

I just got off the phone with Dustin with Golden Triangle....he said the city mowed last Thursday for us (normally they wouldn't be mowing for another month or two)....his club is getting everything together on their end to make this the great day that it always is. The last minute people are trickling in...my guess is they will pour in by tomorrow. Remember to do the on-line before 8:00 tonight if you're taking that route...it's too late to mail me anything, so hopefully everyone that's planning on coming have done what they need to do. The weather should be great and the wind should be no worse than it usually is there at the port...not like the 35 MPH gusts we were trying to play in on MLK day! I'm excited about getting this year's tee-shirt & having a couple of great rounds with all of you guys & gals....not much time left, so if you're on the fence it's time to jump off!

[Mr. Blue]

Billy,
I'm not sure if you had a typo or not on there, but PDGA is STILL allowing registration as of just a couple of minutes ago. Are you sure it isn't TONIGHT that the cut off takes place?:confused:

[DPdiscer]

8 pm Thursday night. Registration at 49 right now. I expect some last minute in person players registering tomorrow. Probably have around 55 players.

[bmugwump]

The link is still there, but when you scroll down it says it's closed. Did you do yours right before midnight, Matt? Or was it earlier in the evening? Just curious...'cause it is supposed to be 8PM Thursday. And we've even already gotten a confirmation e-mail from them telling us how much & that the check will be mailed out today.

[bmugwump]

Info is pouring in from Dustin today.......ten so far (as of 12:30-ish)....probably will get a couple of more before the afternoon's over! Looks like we're going to have a good crowd....looks like we'll have a little wind too! Hoo-boy!!! Thanks everyone for signing up & see you in the morning....check-in between 7:30 & 8:30.....tee time is 9:00!

[ERicJ]

see you in the morning....check-in between 7:30 & 8:30.....tee time is 9:00!
Billy, registration form says:

"Registration 7:30 – 8:30
Players Meeting 9:00
Tee Off 9:30"

[bmugwump]

Ooops! Sorry about that, Chief! How come it changes every time? Wait a minute...that's us I'm bitching about! Bottom line....please make sure you're checked in by 8:30!!! We'll have the players meeting & start ASAP after that. Also, if you would like pizza for lunch bring an extra $3.00 & let us know when you check in....Golden Triangle will be arranging lunch for us!

[bmugwump]

One more thing....for those of you who haven't been there....take I-10 East to Hwy. 73 (Winnie/Port Arthur exit)....I think you'll go about 25 miles (give or take) until you see the exit for Hwy. 82. This will curve you to the right & it's three miles to MLK Bridge. After you come off the bridge you'll be on the island...you'll come to a stop sign & take a right. Go down about one mile & the course will be on your right....oil tankers may be on your left...wind will be blowing up your you-know-what! See ya!

[bmugwump]

Well, it's almost 10 & I gotta get up at 3:30!!! We ended up with 65 players in the morning....nice job, gang! See you bright & early....and don't forget to bring some small bills!

[_d_g_]

Thanks to everyone who came out. I really enjoyed it and I hope all the traveling houston players had fun and made it back safely. Looking forward to Tom Bass next month and Beaumont's Klein Park in July!!!

[DGJesús]

Thanks to everyone who worked together to put on yet another great tournament. It was a great day for it although I would have preferred the day being not so windy. See ya'll next time.

Love you Sue!!

[bmugwump]

Tourney Number Two for 2009 was a great success, thanks to the 64 people who signed up & played yesterday! We had three no shows, but there were two people who happened to just tag along that ended up taking their place....so the payout didn't need to be recalculated too much. Pleasure Island was the second tournament I ever played three years ago & it was really cool to return this year with Birdshot co-hosting the event....thanks to Dustin, Matt, Fuzzy & all the Golden Triangle people who sponsored, worked, made art (some really cool art, by the way), Dave Vance's pizza connection and everything else that came together to make it a great day! We look forward to working with GT again in July for the Klein Park tourney! And congratulations to C.J. for taking the REC division by storm....time to join the rest of us old men, High Iron!!!

[Suemac]

Great day!

Congrats to Bubba on his win! The -9 the first round, WOW!

Was happy to make it back to the wind I remembered. Emily's transmission blew up on the way home, so our adventure continued.

Happy to report we made it home safely.

And Randy, it was good to see you, too!

[_d_g_]

Great day!

Congrats to Bubba on his win! The -9 the first round, WOW!



no doubt, I'm checking pdga to see when the scores are posted cause I'm guessing that rounds gonna be between 1030 and 1050

[scoot_er]

A 1000 rated round on Post Rita PI is probably around 7 or 8 as long as it isn't 40MPH winds.

[mattman]

Start out by not caring about what happens at Birdshot tournaments. No need to deny the entire community of your charming magnetic personality which we have all come to enjoy.

are you stating that states is a birdshot tournament? Do you state the admin fees when :Dregisters online? The fees for you gas tank?

Maybe it is time to let Round Rock run the Dell Diamond Texas States...?

btw... still no reply on the offer to help out at States.. I guess I have to beg or kiss someone's or post a link? Should we have a special pissing contest while scores are be calculated?

You should really spend all your given talent and energy to better the world if you are so damn high and mighty. or go pay the green fees for the golf you are trying to discgolf into...

[Ave Satani]

Thanks to everyone who came out :) Thanks to all of our sponsors and the Birdshot guys.

[bmugwump]

are you stating that states is a birdshot tournament? Do you state the admin fees when :Dregisters online? The fees for you gas tank?

Maybe it is time to let Round Rock run the Dell Diamond Texas States...?

btw... still no reply on the offer to help out at States.. I guess I have to beg or kiss someone's or post a link? Should we have a special pissing contest while scores are be calculated?

You should really spend all your given talent and energy to better the world if you are so damn high and mighty. or go pay the green fees for the golf you are trying to discgolf into...Matt, is this post directed at Randy? At Birdshot? Or to the Texas States group? I'm just curious, because they are all different things....and it seems like to you just lumped them all together. I'm sure if you contacted Chuck he would be happy to find something for you to do to help for States. Birdshot's expenses have always been posted on our website for all the world to see. And Randy? Well...I'm not really sure what we can do about that guy!

[scoot_er]

Where? I went out the site and couldn't find out where to go.

[Suemac]

Matchu,

this is validating their assumptions about our friend, way-out Matchu. Please confirm how you attempted to volunteer, as I would love to add you for either Saturday or Sunday to assist with the lunches.

Saturday's lunch will benefit Jimbo Slusher, Sunday's BBQ is for the Texas Women's Group that supports those ladies attending the Women's Nationals event next Sept. We'll also be cooking breakfast tacos, free coffee, etc. etc.

So, consider yourself.................staphed.

[DGJesús]

Where? I went out the site and couldn't find out where to go.


That one is just WAY too easy!! :D

[DPdiscer]

Hi Scooter,

To see our bank transactions, go to the Additional Links at the bottom of the homepage and click on Birdshot Bank Accounts. I admit there is a lot of crap on the website to navigate around. I just have fun throwing stuff on there that doesn't mean anything to anybody but me. There is some pertinent information here and there though.

[bmugwump]

BTW...Bubba Berry's first round Saturday was rated 1041...nice job, man!

[scoot_er]

BTW...Bubba Berry's first round Saturday was rated 1041...nice job, man!



Some things get better with age..........

[skank]

sometimes things just go right.