Birdshot presents Dress Rehearsal for States March 21, 2009

[bmugwump]

That's right! Two weeks before States we will be hosting our monthly tournament at Tom Bass as a "dress rehearsal" for States...literally! If all goes as planned (and we get enough basket volunteers) we should be playing the Willie & the Tourney courses that Saturday. The States crew has been working hard out there the past many weeks to start getting things ready...April will be here before you know it, so it's never too early to start! Thanks to Neal, Rob, Tony, Lyle & many others who have contributed their time & effort....and what better way to showcase States than having a "rehearsal" two weeks before with a sanctioned tournament! More details to follow, but if you plan on playing States then you need to plan on playing this one!

[DPdiscer]

Neal came up with an idea to move the baskets from some of the Tourney holes during lunch to make the Powell like it plays at States. I would love to play those holes before states. Thanks for the good idea Neal. We can play the Wilmont at states and other times (hopefully).

[scoot_er]

Neal came up with an idea to move the baskets from some of the Tourney holes during lunch to make the Powell like it plays at States. I would love to play those holes before states. Thanks for the good idea Neal. We can play the Wilmont at states and other times (hopefully).


So no Wilmont? Why is it half the events out there leave out prety much the best thing we have?

I was hoping you guys would play the Tourny layout powell but why not just leave out the "tourny" course so you don't have to come up with 18 baskets? Also that course changes every year now so it isn't as nostalgic.

[ERicJ]

So no Wilmont? Why is it half the events out there leave out prety much the best thing we have?

Possibly because you can play Wilmont any time you want...

I was hoping you guys would play the Tourny layout powell but why not just leave out the "tourny" course so you don't have to come up with 18 baskets? Also that course changes every year now so it isn't as nostalgic.

"Tourney" course only needs 12 temp baskets and Birdshot already has commitments for almost all of 'em. If my understanding of past TxSDGC is correct the C pool doesn't get to play the "Tourney" course at TxSDGC. As has been pointed out repeatedly the crowd that frequents Birdshot events are often C pool type players. I think the Birdshot Dress Rehersal event would be a great opportunity for everyone to get a crack at the "Tourney" course in a real tournament.

ERic

[scoot_er]

Possibly because you can play Wilmont any time you want...



"Tourney" course only needs 12 temp baskets and Birdshot already has commitments for almost all of 'em. If my understanding of past TxSDGC is correct the C pool doesn't get to play the "Tourney" course at TxSDGC. As has been pointed out repeatedly the crowd that frequents Birdshot events are often C pool type players. I think the Birdshot Dress Rehersal event would be a great opportunity for everyone to get a crack at the "Tourney" course in a real tournament.

ERic


They play 9 holes of the tourney course but not the Dragon or 711 holes. I hope they have a good way of putting temps up on the side of hills.The bad thing about temps is that there are usually a fair amount of single chained or other lackluster baskets which shouldn't be used in a PDGA torunament Also you may be able to play the Wilmont whenever you want but I haven't been out there since States 2 years ago and that seems to be the only event that uses the course because it seems events out there always try to find a reason not to play it and if they do it is because the ADV and Pro guys complained.

Maybe you C-pool guys should dress rehearse for the Willy as you will actually be playing it at states.

[ERicJ]

I hope they have a good way of putting temps up on the side of hills.
The belief is that the "Tourney" holes are sleeved and Neal has baskets that should fit those.

Maybe you C-pool guys should dress rehearse for the Willy as you will actually be playing it at states.
Like I said you can play Wilmont any time you want....

ERic

[bmugwump]

BTW....the two Birdshot tourneys we've had at Bass both included the Wilmont....we're not a-skeered!

[ChaseTheAce]

Can anyone play States or is there an invitation or certain requirement you must have to play?

[scoot_er]

Anyone can play Am (if it is still a B-tier for Int Rec) but to play ADV or Open you have to be a current PDGA member.

[ChaseTheAce]

Anyone can play Am (if it is still a B-tier for Int Rec) but to play ADV or Open you have to be a current PDGA member.
I'm a member.
I play Rec-Int

[scoot_er]

I'm a member.
I play Rec-Int


Well then you can play.

[ChaseTheAce]

Well then you can play.
awesome.

I've never played this course and don't make it out in that direction too often.
Is it a course that you would def suggest playing before competing at it?

[scoot_er]

awesome.

I've never played this course and don't make it out in that direction too often.
Is it a course that you would def suggest playing before competing at it?


3 courses and they will be playing the Tourny and Powell at the Birdshot event. The toughest one is the Wilmont though.

[JimKelly]

Hey Chase, Just go to a cow pasture and throw and that will give you all the experience you need...

[LOU18132]

I don't believe the Tourney or the Powell Tourney can be quite played as a cow pasture. Some parts of the Willy, and Powell could be seen as that. Just bring your game. 1,2,3.7,8,18 on the Willy are not pasture material, and 5 will bring out the bull in you, there be trees to hit. :eek:

[scoot_er]

I don't believe the Tourney or the Powell Tourney can be quite played as a cow pasture. Some parts of the Willy, and Powell could be seen as that. Just bring your game. 1,2,3.7,8,18 on the Willy are not pasture material, and 5 will bring out the bull in you, there be trees to hit. :eek:


Yeah half of each course is fairly wooded. Plus they are the only courses in town you need a driver on.

[ThePatrick]

Yeah half of each course is fairly wooded. Plus they are the only courses in town you need a driver on.

Oak meadows may take a little more than mids, and a couple of holes at macgregor. Probably the largo as well, but depending on how much you go for it, maybe not.

[ChaseTheAce]

Yeah half of each course is fairly wooded. Plus they are the only courses in town you need a driver on.
Lots of trees??? Sign me up!

[scoot_er]

Oak meadows may take a little more than mids, and a couple of holes at macgregor. Probably the largo as well, but depending on how much you go for it, maybe not.


Largo isn't a "real" course and OM wasn't my fav even though it was on a great piece of property and you can't even play it now but still at least half the holes were not too far.

[Suemac]

I'm a member.
I play Rec-Int

States is an A tier for everyone. I didn't vote for that option.

[scoot_er]

States is an A tier for everyone. I didn't vote for that option.


In that case you better be current if you want to play!

Does that also mean we won't have a Novice division? I mean we have tried to get rid of the Rec state champ for years and the least we can do is not have a Novice state champ as that may be an OXYmoron.


Also those players can play up if they like but if they feel they can't compete with the Rec guys they probably don't need to be playing such a big event quite yet.

[Suemac]

Old Guard was able to stave off the demand for Novice. LOL

And I agree, this is not the best "rec" event, and those at that level wanting to participate..........should just move up. Yes, I know that isn't a popular position on the board right now, but wait until we run late Saturday because of slow cards. Tom Bass isn't a course for beginners. And that is due to the distance and nothing else.

One day events like the birdshot events are where those folks should be concentrating their tournament play. Those are the people we hope will come out and staff, a wonderful way to participate in a great weekend of disc golf.

[Suemac]

It's not always supposed to be about playing.

[ERicJ]

Largo isn't a "real" course [...]
Not sure what your definition of "real" is then. Largo is just as real as the Lil' layout The LINKS... same baskets, same tee markers, same water hazards.

[ThePatrick]

And I agree, this is not the best "rec" event, and those at that level wanting to participate..........should just move up.

When you start beating all of the Rec Guys and not taking longer to play then you can stop talking about slow play. Sorry, but I know you take longer than Matt P, Me, Eric, and probably even Randy. You may have David Currey beat though.

[Suemac]

You don't know anything about the way I play golf.


I know it's pick on Susan season around here, so I will retreat and leave you guys to your own entertainment.

[scoot_er]

When you start beating all of the Rec Guys and not taking longer to play then you can stop talking about slow play. Sorry, but I know you take longer than Matt P, Me, Eric, and probably even Randy. You may have David Currey beat though.


I don't even care about the slow play but how funny does Novice State Champ sound? They can travel around and take on all the other Novice chanps from around the country in Epic battles of grit and doinkers.

My dad took DEAD LAST at our 1st TX states in ADV masters because he thought "novice" now rec was a stupid division to offer at such a large event. Worlds only offers ADV and up yet nobody complains about that.

[ThePatrick]

Really? Can't be any of the womens only tourney's I been around, or all the rounds at moffit when I just skipped a few holes to play around the group, Yeah, that was me that was playing by himself and finishing a round in less than 45 min on 18 holes. You don't know anything about the way I play golf.


I know it's pick on Susan season around here, so I will retreat and leave you guys to your own entertainment.

[ThePatrick]

I agree. But Rec is compettive now. Blame the ratings shift, whatever, there is enough people that there is a bigger spread in the numbers. More people= competition. Last year there were 36 people that played in the rec division. You can't debate a field that large shouldn't exist. And their payout helps support the very foundation of the sport. More money for the local clubs, more money for the PDGA and more money to the local vendors.
I don't even care about the slow play but how funny does Novice State Champ sound? They can travel around and take on all the other Novice chanps from around the country in Epic battles of grit and doinkers.

My dad took DEAD LAST at our 1st TX states in ADV masters because he thought "novice" now rec was a stupid division to offer at such a large event. Worlds only offers ADV and up yet nobody complains about that.

[scoot_er]

I agree. But Rec is compettive now. Blame the ratings shift, whatever, there is enough people that there is a bigger spread in the numbers. More people= competition. Last year there were 36 people that played in the rec division. You can't debate a field that large shouldn't exist. And their payout helps support the very foundation of the sport. More money for the local clubs, more money for the PDGA and more money to the local vendors.


Or as I like to see it more spots for the larger divisions! The ADV division is the one that really took a hit with the new ratings breaks as nearly half of the old ADV players were able to move back down into Int.

There are some states that only offer Int and above and they are among the most prominent and known for producing good competitive fields. I say leave the A-tiers to Int and up and limit C-tiers to ADV and below.

[ERicJ]

I don't even care about the slow play but how funny does Novice State Champ sound?
Almost as funny as "AM State Champ". In the end there's only one best.

My dad took DEAD LAST at our 1st TX states in ADV masters because he thought "novice" now rec was a stupid division to offer at such a large event.
Well that was his choice. Hopefully he had fun either way.

[ThePatrick]

That may work, but for people like dixon who can't always play two day b-tiers, the one day c-tiers offer an alternative.

[ThePatrick]

Almost as funny as "AM State Champ". In the end there's only one best.

That's basically asking for people to tell you that you should really consider moving up to pro.

[scoot_er]

That may work, but for people like dixon who can't always play two day b-tiers, the one day c-tiers offer an alternative.

I'm sure he would rather have more than 4 guys in his division though! If he is doing it for a rating I can see that but there is no incentive when it comes to payout or points and I personally would love them to be unsanctioned so that players like Jim Kelly, G-Mo, and Cooper could play with us without worrying about losing AM status.

[ERicJ]

how funny does Novice State Champ sound?Almost as funny as "AM State Champ". In the end there's only one best.That's basically asking for people to tell you that you should really consider moving up to pro.
If one's logic dictates that a "champion" in a lower tier of a multi-tiered skill system is "funny" then that same logic should dictate only one division is meaningful.

If you want to crown a true state champ then it's OPEN and nothing else.

That same logic extends to the abolition of Age Protected divisions and Women's divsions as well.

...if you think a Novice Champ is funny.

[ERicJ]

[...]I personally would love them to be unsanctioned so that players like Jim Kelly, G-Mo, and Cooper could play with us without worrying about losing AM status.
Section 2 of the Competition Manual says any AM can play Pro and take merchandise instead of cash. So what's the problem, is Pro too expensive?

[scoot_er]

If one's logic dictates that a "champion" in a lower tier of a multi-tiered skill system is "funny" then that same logic should dictate only one division is meaningful.

If you want to crown a true state champ then it's OPEN and nothing else.

That same logic extends to the abolition of Age Protected divisions and Women's divsions as well.

...if you think a Novie Champ is funny.


Novice is funny because the name implies they are beginner yet you crown the best beginner? I don't know why AM is funny as the USGA has AM champs and we even have an Amateur world champ as well. Also the age -protected are fine as you determine the best AM and Pro player within each age level.

I don't see why it isn't like worlds with Pro (age protected as well) and ADV with age-protected. I also wish states would move from Houston from time to time as other places are chomping at the bit and may be able to put on a better show.

[ERicJ]

Novice is funny because the name implies they are beginner yet you crown the best beginner?
Absolutely possible.

"Best player under PR 800" isn't any different than "Best player over 50yrs old", or "Best player that doesn't accept cash when they win". Once you start drawing lines it's all subjective as to where you draw the lines.

[scoot_er]

Absolutely possible.

"Best player under PR 800" isn't any different than "Best player over 50yrs old", or "Best player that doesn't accept cash when they win". Once you start drawing lines it's all subjective as to where you draw the lines.

Actually it is since that division had a PR limit and none of the others do!

ADV has no limit, ADV legends has no limit, MPO has no limit, Women's Pro masters doesn't but Rec and Int do!

[ERicJ]

Actually it is since that division had a PR limit and none of the others do!

ADV has no limit, ADV legends has no limit, MPO has no limit, Women's Pro masters doesn't but Rec and Int do!
That depends on what you call a "limit". Can you play FPO? No... because it's limited to women. Can you play MPM? No... because it's limited to those over 40yrs. Can you play MA1? No... because for Pros it's limited to those with PR under 970. (BTW there is no ADV Legends, that only exists on the Pro side.)

The point is there are limits all over the PDGA divisions.

I agree that MA4 doesn't need to be offered at TxSDGC, because you can fill the event without it.

And I'm on the fence about agreeing with you for an A-Tier like TxSDGC. If you could fill without MA3 and without forcing MA3 players to play up then I might buy that it'd be better for the prestige of the even to limit it to "INT and up". But as Patrick points out REC players showed up strong last year. If they continue to do so then give them their division in which to compete. Like I said these divisions are all subjective as to where you draw the lines.

Lastly, if you're arguing to wack a division because of the skill of the players and you want to cut MA3/Rec then we should probably cut MM1/Adv Masters too. I mean if you look at last year's TxSDGC results (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7296#Advanced%20Masters), other than 1st place there wasn't a significant difference between MM1 and MA3... other than MM1 having less than half the draw of MA3.

[scoot_er]

That depends on what you call a "limit". Can you play FPO? No... because it's limited to women. Can you play MPM? No... because it's limited to those over 40yrs. Can you play MA1? No... because for Pros it's limited to those with PR under 970. (BTW there is no ADV Legends, that only exists on the Pro side.)

The point is there are limits all over the PDGA divisions.

I agree that MA4 doesn't need to be offered at TxSDGC, because you can fill the event without it.

And I'm on the fence about agreeing with you for an A-Tier like TxSDGC. If you could fill without MA3 and without forcing MA3 players to play up then I might buy that it'd be better for the prestige of the even to limit it to "INT and up". But as Patrick points out REC players showed up strong last year. If they continue to do so then give them their division in which to compete. Like I said these divisions are all subjective as to where you draw the lines.

Lastly, if you're arguing to wack a division because of the skill of the players and you want to cut MA3/Rec then we should probably cut MM1/Adv Masters too. I mean if you look at last year's TxSDGC results (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7296#Advanced%20Masters), other than 1st place there wasn't a significant difference between MM1 and MA3... other than MM1 having less than half the draw of MA3.


Look at the ratings not the overall scores! The guy shooting 200 in masters shot 945 golf while in rec 200 wasn't even 915! Based on that you can come to the conclusion that they didn't play the same courses/layouts. Only the 1st place finisher in Rec would have cashed in MM1.

Maybe on the divisions should have said there is no limit based on skill in any of the divisions I mentioned whereas in Novice/Rec there is a limit based on skill.

[LOU18132]

Advanced Masters are at least playing advanced, most of their ratings are higher than Rec. They could not play Rec. anyhoo. :confused: Is there Rec. at Worlds or any other A-tier? Most Grandmasters can't play Rec because of their rating. Move Up and learn, not just win a lesser division. Rec. was offered at a few tourneys when I started, just never played it. I got my butt handed to me many times but I played with better players and became a better player quicker. If you are all about winning and cashing, you are not learning the game. Pros need to win and cash to go to the next tourney. How much plastic do you really need? If you are really serious about improving your game you will play with players that are better than you and take your butt whippings, your game will improve .:cool:

Best advice I ever recieved, Ratings are over rated. Don Wilchek

[ERicJ]

Look at the ratings not the overall scores! The guy shooting 200 in masters shot 945 golf while in rec 200 wasn't even 915! Based on that you can come to the conclusion that they didn't play the same courses/layouts. Only the 1st place finisher in Rec would have cashed in MM1.Whoops, your right: different tees. So ignore that MM1 example.

[ERicJ]

Advanced Masters are at least playing advanced, most of their ratings are higher than Rec. They could not play Rec. anyhoo.

One of the things I don't like about the PDGA site is the way they show a player's current rating for past events. I think it'd be much more useful to show their rating at the time they played the event. You have to do some digging to get each player's past rating individually. Not sure why they do that.

Is there Rec. at Worlds or any other A-tier

Two upcoming ones, besides TxSDGC:
St. Patrick's Classic (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8472)
The Amateur Championships at Bowling Green (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8593)

Seven in the past five months:
HOTT Final (Heart of Texas Tour) (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7458#Recreational)
Gold Pan host the 2008 NorCal Series Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8240#Recreational)
Budweiser Select Corpus Christi Open - 3C6S Finale (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7577#Recreational)
Oklahoma Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7302#Recreational)
Discontinuum Presents The Illinois Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7349#Recreational)
Augusta Classic (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7301#Recreational)
Colorado State Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7394#Recreational)
I got tired of searching after that...

[scoot_er]

One of the things I don't like about the PDGA site is the way they show a player's current rating for past events. I think it'd be much more useful to show their rating at the time they played the event. You have to do some digging to get each player's past rating individually. Not sure why they do that.



Two upcoming ones, besides TxSDGC:
St. Patrick's Classic (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8472)
The Amateur Championships at Bowling Green (http://www.pdga.com/event?TournID=8593)

Seven in the past five months:
HOTT Final (Heart of Texas Tour) (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7458#Recreational)
Gold Pan host the 2008 NorCal Series Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8240#Recreational)
Budweiser Select Corpus Christi Open - 3C6S Finale (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7577#Recreational)
Oklahoma Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7302#Recreational)
Discontinuum Presents The Illinois Open (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7349#Recreational)
Augusta Classic (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7301#Recreational)
Colorado State Championships (http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=7394#Recreational)
I got tired of searching after that...

Bowling green is AM only so of course they will have Rec but I think the ratings shift has us off since Rec now is really kind of Int. How many of those offer novice? Not too many of those A-tiers offered Rec that you looked at though huh? I mean maybe 30-40% but not the majority as you sure skipped around on the schedule and its not like it is the norm. I'm sure you didn't pop up 5 events and they offered Rec.

Look at some NC events! They have one of the most active DG communities in the US and they almost never offer lower than Int.

[ERicJ]

How many of those offer novice? Not too many of those A-tiers offered Rec that you looked at though huh? I mean maybe 30-40% but not the majority as you sure skipped around on the schedule and its not like it is the norm. I'm sure you didn't pop up 5 events and they offered Rec.
Only one of ones I posted offered Novice. I just went backwards through the schedule and probably 50% of the AM or Pro/AM A-Tiers had Rec results.

[TBender]

The old coding for results and ratings prevents the website from locking a player's rating at the time of the event.

And without offering MA3, we wouldn't be filling States. Due to the pool setup, all that would be accomplished is having unfilled spots in the B & C pools. I'm sure Matt would be all for a lower total purse due to fewer Amatuers eating up the overhead costs.

[scoot_er]

The old coding for results and ratings prevents the website from locking a player's rating at the time of the event.

And without offering MA3, we wouldn't be filling States. Due to the pool setup, all that would be accomplished is having unfilled spots in the B & C pools. I'm sure Matt would be all for a lower total purse due to fewer Amatuers eating up the overhead costs.


I am talking about Novice which won't be offered but just mentioned that a lot of events that are A-tiers do not offer MA3. ALso something about No Ma3 in NC but that is about it. Tx states doesn't have the huge Pro Draw meaning we can all fit on one course but if it had a larger Pro attendance there may only 27 holes avalable for AMs instead of 36.

[scoot_er]

Ok I won't complain about the rehearsal not playing the Wilmont but instead I will ask why it is the same day as Red Rock?

I think another one of the Bass events in the past did the same thing.

[TBender]

When should it be?

Feb 7 - PIC
Feb 14 - Valentine's Day
Feb 21 - HFDS Ice Bowl / Gonzales HOTT
Feb 28 - State Doubles
Mar 7 - Victoria
Mar 14 - Am World Doubles / Moffitt Show
Mar 21 - RRS / Birdshot at Bass
Mar 28 - WLS Final
Apr 4 - States

From this list, RRS is the best candidate to double up on.

[scoot_er]

When should it be?

Feb 7 - PIC
Feb 14 - Valentine's Day
Feb 21 - HFDS Ice Bowl / Gonzales HOTT
Feb 28 - State Doubles
Mar 7 - Victoria
Mar 14 - Am World Doubles / Moffitt Show
Mar 21 - RRS / Birdshot at Bass
Mar 28 - WLS Final
Apr 4 - States

From this list, RRS is the best candidate to double up on.

They just always seem to double on on Mitch and Patty. I think Valentines day would be a great day for an event!:p

Also sunday the 22 would ok after the Ice Bowl since Gonzo is only Pro/int that day.

[bmugwump]

Ok I won't complain about the rehearsal not playing the Wilmont but instead I will ask why it is the same day as Red Rock?

I think another one of the Bass events in the past did the same thing.
Unfortunately, we had our schedule turned in before the first of the year...as a matter of fact, I'm sure we had our schedule posted before Red Rock's. Yes, this happened last year as well. I don't think we're important enough for the other cities' TD's to schedule around us.

[Suemac]

Unfortunately, we had our schedule turned in before the first of the year...as a matter of fact, I'm sure we had our schedule posted before Red Rock's. Yes, this happened last year as well. I don't think we're important enough for the other cities' TD's to schedule around us.


Billy, your statement shows just how naive you are. I believe this is like the 11th annual RRS, and it is always right around St. Patrick's Day.

So..............to say that "we were in first" just isn't a realistic arguement. The fact is that that is a two day camping event on a Houck designed course, and those folks aren't the one's who support your events.....enough said. I know that the schedule was up in the air as the TD's for all the spring events juggled things around with the change in World Am Doubles & Easter this week.

[ThePatrick]

Gary Duke signed off on it. And yes the Birdshot schedule was before the first of the year, and they have (with mine and Tiff's help) tried to keep our schedule as flexible as possible, because yes, Tiff and I do play a very large amount of out of town tourneys and don't want to clash with anything close. That being said, this Jan/Feb/March season has no open weekends, so conflict is very abundant. There is no way around it. There are multiple agendas at work here and some are going to overlap. Until someone gets all of the series completely worked out together they will overlap. There are now 3 large series within a few hours of each other.

[bmugwump]

Naive, Suemac? C'mon!

[Suemac]

I believe it met the distance criteria, so in PDGA's mind, not a problem. That is why it wasn't an issue for Gary. I just don't think it's a "who's in first" kinda thing, especially when the long standing events have to work around Houck and AmWorld Doubles.

[ThePatrick]

We have tried to not overlap as much as possible, and short of not offering a tournament that month, their was no way around it. People just now have to choose whether to play a course ahead of time and preview it before an a-tier or play a b-tier with points in a series. It sucks, as I would like to play both if possible, but same way I can go with Tiff to do the family thing, or risk ending my marriage and go to the Dynamic Discs tourney this weekend. Choices Choices.

[DPdiscer]

How many series do we have in this area now? Birdshot, HOTT, 3rd Coast, Stop Your Crying. Anymore?

[Suemac]

How many had a series bonus payout that actually amounted to anything?

[tarazarr]

how many times must Sue find a way to bitch about everything birdshot does? hmmmmm:D

It's old and boring mac, ...not to mention another lame (as usual) argument to pick

Thank goodness there's more than 1 car to choose from, 1 restaurant to choose from, 1 movie to go see and yes 1 tournament to choose from.

Go have fun, play whatever and wherever you like, you live in a free country Sue, the rest of do too, (most of us) can handle making choices as to what tournament works for us on any given weekend (same concept as when we have to choose which laundry detergent to buy at the store). Thank God we all have choices...how boring would it be if we all wore Tye-dye t-shirts 7 days a week and all drove Dodge K-cars) because there were no other choices.

[Suemac]

You are so lame. I have no idea about birdshot's bonus payout, I didn't participate, so we all know I didn't have any interest. I know about the Corpus Christi guys, and HOTT's was very sweet. (I got $175)

It is not always about "them", it was more about the fact that there is a difference in series bonus, finals and such.

I just asked a question, so I think you'd better look in the mirror for the one who's attacking today.

[tarazarr]

....the majority here is tired of the condesending vile spewing from your computer:cool:

please go start your championship series and post your schedule so everyone can see how things are supposed to be done.

Sad that someone who could have probably done good things for local disc golf community, if they really cared, has been reduced to becoming the biggest joke within the local DG community.

Better yet, keep it up, everyone needs an example of how pathetic a cyber bully really is. Sad but every board has one

[Suemac]

Thanks for the positive comment, and remember, this is a forum for everyone. Just because I am the only one who disagrees with some of the policies/decisions of birdshot, doesn't mean I am the only one with those same thoughts. Just the only one who bothers with you guys.

When you venture a little farther from the nest, you will understand. Just because someone can go out and buy a gun, doesn't mean they are ready to own one.

Have a blessed day.

[tarazarr]

thanks for the positive comments?.....whatever..... that's something you know nothing about until it's time for you to play "the victim" again.

Have a blessed day? you switch roles from "venomous rattlesnake" to "poor little victimized Sue" real fast huh....LMAO

pathetic....

[bmugwump]

Scott, thanks for looking out for us...but it's really not necessary. Suemac, Scott isn't part of the Birdshot orginization (although a friend!)...so don't lump what he says as being a spokesperson for Birdshot. Chuck did put up a thread for a Birdshot Suggestion Box....let's move all this stuff over there & leave these tournament threads for the tournament info.

[LOU18132]

Better yet, keep it up, everyone needs an example of how pathetic a cyber bully really is. Sad but every board has one

If you feel bullied by Sue, that's pathetic. :confused:

[tarazarr]

Annoyed??? maybe .... bullied???? not at all, and I'm not affiliated with Birdshot but do, like many others, support what they do locally.

Why they may not be attempting to take on the world as the leader in disc golf tournament providers, they are doing locally, what others can't do. Including you Sue...They are fullfilling their mission statement. Sue can't move her rants over to the suggestions thread because her mission statement is to discredit Birdshot before every single tournament, this is well documented and just sad.

Sue spews out more venom over these guys and their efforts than everyone else combined on this board, but the minute someone gives her a dose of her own vile, she becomes "the poor victim" again...whatever, don't dish it out Sue, if you can't take it..:eek:

I apologize to the players who just found this site that have never played in a tournament and are thinking about it, but are turned off and away temporarily because of her never ending "Birdshot, you know nothing" rants. Although it doesn't take long for anyone to figure out, she's in a very small minority with her tiresome rants..

More and more people keep showing up and having a great time, despite her efforts to discredit anything that doesn't have her "old guard" stamp of approval on it....

Her anti-support of what's taking place locally is quickly leaving her on an island by herself with nothing to "guard" at all...
Although we're not quite sure what she thinks she's "guarding" around here, but again your doing a bang up job Sue, keep it up...lol

[Suemac]

Lou, thanks for your understanding words. ;)

Fang I am not, but I am poison. :eek:

I guess your level of education prevents you from understanding scarcism. I would have thought before someone graduates the sixth grade they would know when folks were poke'n fun and not serious.

What is really funny is that you are WAY too serious about all this stuff. If someone who is interested in this game, and trying their hand an a tournament, stayed away from playing due to my comments................


they weren't that into it.


In fact, I suspect the only people really on this board, and reading it over and over again are you guys...............and me.


Anyone who wants to play disc golf, sure isn't going to change their mind after reading this.

The world isn't warm and fuzzy, so why try and put forth something that is not real?

[Fuzzy]

Does anyone else get amused by typos as much as I do? They really can make me smile sometimes :D

[bmugwump]

Scarcism.....the ability to be scarce!

[tarazarr]

Let's see....from the venomous rattlesnake, to the poor victim, to the it's all just sarcasm, or scarcism ...whatever you think will work, I guess....

Everyone who has been on this board for longer than month, knows exactly what you are all about when it comes to the guys who are busting their butts to:
A) grow the local sport.
B) provide fun, relatively low cost, local tournaments for players who aren't going to load up their cars and drive 4 or more hours and stay for 2 days to play in a sanctioned tournament.
C) Take alittle bit of that money and a ton of their time helping to keep the local courses maintained.
D) support others who are holding tournaments as well.

Why don't you just write down all your "sarcastic, all in fun" rants and mail them to Chuck and we can all read about the next tournament, rather than your relentless "I am Suemac! I've been around forever, I know it all, you know nothing, when you've acheived my experience level, you'll understand grasshopper" childish little rants. month after month ....

I know you think you are bringing them down with every tournament - but the numbers are growning here..

Very few people...if any understand why you profess your undying love for this sport, yet work so hard to try and bring down all the positive strides Birdshot is making in growing the number of disc golf players in this town, who are stepping out from just playing rounds with friends to playing in local and regional tournaments.

Eventually a precentage of these new players venture away from the nest and help support and fund regional tournaments (you know...the ones that are run well)...(sarcasm) so your not just cutting your own throat, but your brothers as well...like I've said Bang up job Sue...keep it up!:cool:

[LOU18132]

There are those that read the small print and learn through knowledge, while others ignore the small print and learn through experience. :eek:

[gcrussell4]

OK.

Nobody likes each other.

Every tourney has its problems.

We are all still searching for the perfect weekend.

I hope we can all agree.

Now can we please talk about the actual tournament on the tournament thread. Unfortunately there are some of us who do read all of this bologna when all we want to know about is the what is going on in the world of DISC GOLF! This is a disc golf forum right?

[bmugwump]

Amen, Glen(n)! And once again, we're sorry this tourney is the same weekend as Red Rocks...I guess it's just one of those hard life choices you guys will have to make!

[Suemac]

It's really cool that more choices are available these days. Since I'm not playing States, RRS Rocks in my book. Kinda a consolation (sp?) prize for those of us who are working the whole weekend of States.

[scoot_er]

It's really cool that more choices are available these days. Since I'm not playing States, RRS Rocks in my book. Kinda a consolation (sp?) prize for those of us who are working the whole weekend of States.


I'll be in Red Rock that weekend and I just attended another awesome DD event that had 195 players show up for a one day. NOW THAT"S FILLING!!!!

[Suemac]

One day b-tier on how many courses?

[scoot_er]

One day b-tier on how many courses?

2 LL woods and the Lake course.

[Suemac]

Did they take day of registration?

[scoot_er]

Did they take day of registration?


They normally do unless it fills early and in this case it filled Thursday morning. That is what happens when there is high demand for events and it helps that he has some cool stuff for payout.

[Suemac]

when you say cool stuff, can you give an example?

[JimKelly]

The players pack was cool you could choose one item from a list. They had T-shirts, towels, summer and winter hats, DVD’s, visors, and other DD stuff.
On payout you could either pick out of all of his stuff that Jeremy brought to sell plus all of his died disc and regular disc. And if you didn't want to stand in line you could use your winning and purchase your stuff on his website.
He also had ratings posted before he called out the winners names way cool!!!!!

[ThePatrick]

I will agree. When you talk about TD's that do a phenominal job, Rusco Is the only one that really stands out heads and tails above any other that I have seen. The Dynamic Discs tournaments are a testament to what can be done with a small team of volunteers running a very efficient tournament. They have the support of those around them and it shows.

[bmugwump]

Man, if we weren't having the Dress Rehearsal the same day I would love to to Red Rocks! Next year we will make sure NOT to schedule anything for the same weekend. I'm probably not playing States, so the Birdshot tourney won't really be advantageous for me....but I've only missed playing on one of our tourneys so far (I was sick, but I DJ'd at First Colony)....and I would feel guilty not being there. Plus there will be a lot of setting up (for baskets) to do & Chuck will need all the extra hands he can get that morning & when it's all over. And I'm secretly hoping that I can maybe still play States...but only if it works out that my help is not needed during actual tournament play.

[Suemac]

I am sure that we'll be needing your help throughout the weekend Billy. We can staff this year, and next year, some of the other locals can step up for their turns. ;)

[bmugwump]

Dammit Suemac! There you go smashing my dreams of States glory!!! Why, I may have even placed in the bottom half of the Rec Division! Yeah, it's been looking for weeks now that I'll probably have to sit this one out...well, probably not much sitting actually...but you know what I mean!

[Suemac]

Misery loves company, right? j/k I want folks to have a good time while in our house. And this is one weekend, I have always enjoyed staffing.

No guys, all you SueHaters, I challenge you to step up for next year's States and be the best volunteer you can be for the whole weekend. So, play your rearends off this time round cause your time's a com'n. Mr. T want to be, Randy's lost his mind, and that blue piece of po po potato.

Actions...........speak louder than words. :D

[tarazarr]

Misery loves company, right? j/k I want folks to have a good time while in our house. And this is one weekend, I have always enjoyed staffing.

No guys, all you SueHaters, I challenge you to step up for next year's States and be the best volunteer you can be for the whole weekend. So, play your rearends off this time round cause your time's a com'n. Mr. T want to be, Randy's lost his mind, and that blue piece of po po potato.

Actions...........speak louder than words. :D

wow...if I remember right...please correct me if I'm wrong, that blue piece of po po potato personally paid your entry fee's at Jack brooks last year....nice... Just to clarify things here..No one is a SueHater, it's very evident who does all the hating around here before each months "local" tournament.. Some of us just get tired of hearing you rant childishly every month and finally have to call you on it and unfortunately start waving the BS flag at you- nice try turning that one around though...

Personally I'm not sure if a two day tournament fits into my families schedule, so I'm not sure if I'll play..probably not....I did however spend a day out there with the "work" crew cleaning the course up for states...Funny thing though, the majority of the people who showed up to work were guys who were currently at the time, playing in the "Novice" division, so I'd say the people who are just getting into this sport around here, are doing more for it than just running there mouths..I must have missed you out there...hmmmmm

And if I have another opprotunity to help out again before the tournament, I surely will...

Have a blessed day ;)

[Suemac]

What does someone paying my entry fee to a birdshot event have to do with volunteering for States? :confused:

And it's great to see everyone come together to work for a common cause. I don't live really close to Bass, and have helped with cleanup in past years. If I hadn't had so much going on in my world, I would have been out there this time.

What you don't know is that my time will come, it's just not until the week of and all throughout the event.

We all help out, and I hope that some of the folks who play this year, well, maybe they will staff next time and let those of us who have staffed in the past.................play next year.

[DPdiscer]

Being the TD of states this year, I am finding out how much Suemac does for states. A lot. Without Suemac, there would be no food, beer, clothing. I think Suemac has earned the right to voice her opinion on what is going on around Houston disc golf scene. We may not always like her opinion, but hey, sometimes the truth hurts. Bring it Suemac, we can learn a thing or two from your experience.

[Jake Walsdorf]

Being the TD of states this year, I am finding out how much Suemac does for states. A lot. Without Suemac, there would be no food, beer, clothing. I think Suemac has earned the right to voice her opinion on what is going on around Houston disc golf scene. We may not always like her opinion, but hey, sometimes the truth hurts. Bring it Suemac, we can learn a thing or two from your experience.


Earned the right??? No one earns anything around here. It's like a job; we work and work and the boss kicks you in the ass even harder.

To learn a thing or two from SueMac one has to go tent camping at Moodys... I'm a believer! She can bring it. That's why she'll always be my Sister Sue.

[Imnotobsessed]

And in recognition of Sue's efforts, I will present her with an autographed orange Millenium driver at the PIC in Port Arthur on Saturday. :D


By the way, it is autographed by SUEMAC and possibly thrown into the water at the TXDGC at QV but that part remains a mystery.

[Suemac]

Orange Millinium means a good disc, and as I Staffed last year, it made it into the pond on some other non-event day.

See you guys on Saturday.

[gcrussell4]

Chuck=Classy

[Suemac]

Earned the right??? No one earns anything around here. It's like a job; we work and work and the boss kicks you in the ass even harder.

To learn a thing or two from SueMac one has to go tent camping at Moodys... I'm a believer! She can bring it. That's why she'll always be my Sister Sue.

I love you too Jake! Going to try and make your party! BTW, now that VO is in March.............will you be joining our ranks? RRS??? A Moody's repeat?? :p

[Jake Walsdorf]

I love you too Jake! Going to try and make your party! BTW, now that VO is in March.............will you be joining our ranks? RRS??? A Moody's repeat?? :p

The only place I'll be in March is Washington, DC... Training at HQ for three weeks. Savannah has been fun. Played Tom Tripplet Park Sunday. Not sure if I'll make any tourneys this year.

[bmugwump]

Alright people...listen up! After the tournament at Pleasure Island yesterday, the still present Birdshot gang had a pow-wow (Mike Brockmyre had already left, so I hope he's cool with this). After a little over a year of doing these things, we feel like we've got more of a handle on things...obviously more than when we dove in feet first! We've gone back & forth about pre-registration only versus day-of registration...which has been probably the main contention between us & I'm sure more than a handful of players out there. A couple of people have been very vocal about it on this board, but I'm sure (as Matt & Suemac have said) there are lots more out there we just never hear from. We have been extremely lucky to have Patrick & Tiffany Brogdon jump on the bandwagon with us these past few months & they have been a HUGE help with making us work faster & better come tournament day...so we had this meeting & came up with something that I think will make everybody happy. First of all...let me tell you what we WON'T be doing anymore! No more faxes...no more call-ins for people that we know & trust that they will be there...no more getting registered before you've paid, period! We would still encourage people to pre-register, whether it be online or through the mail...this helps us figure out how many awards to order & it's good for interested players to see who's registered if it helps them decide whether they will have a big division to compete in or not. However...here's what we're going to do...are you listening? Good! Here's the new & official Birdshot registration policy!!! Day-of registration will now be allowed, but we will charge a DAY-OF REGISTRATION FEE of an additional $5.00. This additional fee will NOT go towards payout...it will go into our general funds (towards maintenance for the most part). Hopefully this might encourage people to sign up in advance, but it leaves that option open...mostly for those who maybe don't know until the night before whether they can get off work or not...or are waiting for payday on Friday & registration is already closed. And sure, I guess it will open the doors for you fair weather players too! We will move everything up approximately half an hour to allow us time to input names & make cards & hole assignments...I think when we have a full crew working we can do this in that amount of time. We will have check-in and day-of registration from 7:30 to 8:30. Note....if you're not there to sign up by 8:30, sorry! You should have pre-registered or woke up a little earlier! We WILL be firm about that, so spread the word. If this works out the way we think it will, we should be able to have the players meetings between 9:00 and 9:15...and tee off as close to 9:30 as possible. This will get us finished maybe a little later than usual, but hopefully not that much...and with daylight savings time about to kick in again it'll at least not be getting dark yet when we get finished with awards & payout. Many thanks to all of you who have spoken out in one way or another about this subject this past year....we've tried many compromises (the faxes, etc.) to make people happy (or to make them shut up -LOL)...but it has still remained the main gripe about our tournaments. So here you go...hopefully there will be nothing else to complain about (except for maybe getting sponsors to up the ante for an occasional B-tier). Our goals remain the same....to offer fairly affordable, one-day events...to help raise interest & participation for our sport...and to help with maintenance of our many area courses...not to mention all the FUN we have at these things! The current registration form for the Dress Rehearsal may not be changed beforehand...and I'm sure the on-line site will still state pre-registrion only for this tournament...but the new policy begins NOW! And of course, if we fill during pre-registration it will be a moot point to begin with...and we still encourage it anyway, for a lot of good reasons which I won't get into again. Now....for the last time....can't we all just get along? See many of you soon....Billy "Birdshot" Gilbert

[Suemac]

Great News!

[tarazarr]

That is GREAT NEWS Billy, I think I can get 2 friends of mine to become regulars at Birdshot tourney's with this policy in place. If I can I'm sure many others can as well.

My guess is by mid spring you'll be selling out every tournament and building a bigger general fund...Good Job

I also guess by mid summer you have more online sign ups due to everyone knowing the tourney's are going to sell out and you may be left out if you wait.:)

[skank]

So that means that if you wait to sign up, and are not current, that is an extra $15.

[ERicJ]

Need a raffle at the next event to raise money for Billy to fix his obviously broken "Enter" key on his keyboard.

Also, need to start a pool on the date time at which someone posts about them, or their friend, or their second cousin's mother's sister's best friend getting turned away at day-of-registration because the event filled early and they didn't have access to a computer to see that posted somewhere.

:humor:

[bmugwump]

I think when PDGA went up from $5 to $10 last year it was almost like forcing people to join PDGA. I know there's a lot of people not necessarily happy with those guys in the first place. But the extra $5 Birdshot will collect will go to Birdshot....not PDGA. And we do go out & spend money on maintenance of courses. This is not going into the Birdshot Yacht Fund!

[bmugwump]

ERic, you're not suggesting that I'm long-winded, are you?

[Jake Walsdorf]

What are the dates of states?

[ERicJ]

What are the dates of states?
Saturday/Sunday: April 4-5, 2009.

[bmugwump]

Don't forget that we are still encouraging players to pre-register & save five bucks. Those of you not heading out of town need to play this one...even if you're not playing States (like me!). It will be a rare oppurtunity to play the modified Powell & Tourney course without actually playing States....and good practice for those who are playing.

[DPdiscer]

Alright, I will get that $5000 back from the Houston Yacht Club for our first year membership. Besides, we were still a couple of thousand away from that $100,000 yacht I had my eye on.;) With the extra $5 day of fees, we can get more tournaments sanctioned on our series and onto the PDGA tour schedule.

[scoot_er]

Alright, I will get that $5000 back from the Houston Yacht Club for our first year membership. Besides, we were still a couple of thousand away from that $100,000 yacht I had my eye on.;) With the extra $5 day of fees, we can get more tournaments sanctioned on our series and onto the PDGA tour schedule.


How bout just keeping it at 12 events? The TX schedule is already saturated and maybe we should make room for more B-tier and above events?

[_d_g_]

How bout just keeping it at 12 events? The TX schedule is already saturated and maybe we should make room for more B-tier and above events?

they only have 11 scheduled now for the year

[DPdiscer]

Oak Meadows will make 12. One a month is what we aim for every year. The schedule is getting saturated this year, but no conflicts for our 12 this year says Gary Duke.

[bmugwump]

This will hopefully be unnecessary, but just in case....we might need an extra five temp baskets for the Dress Rehearsal next weekend. We might be able to get some from the Texas States Group confirmed over the weekend, but if not....is there anybody out there who would be willing to bring a basket next Saturday? If so, please post here & we'll get back in touch with you...or e-mail me gbmugwump@aol.com and we'll let you know. Like I said, hopefully we'll get committments from some of the States people...but if we don't get these five baskets, we might have to just play the regular Powell & the Wilmont instead of the modified Powell & Tourney courses. Thanks much if any of you can help!

[_d_g_]

I have a discatcher sport that I can bring up if I make it, and if I dont make it I can send it with David Burns. Just lemme know

[bmugwump]

Thanks, Dustin...we'll let you know!

[bmugwump]

Just talked to Chuck & it looks like we'll have all the baskets for Saturday! Thanks everybody!! We can't promise that it will be exactly like States but we're going to try to make it as close as possible...I'm even going to try to spray-paint the Texas outline on the hill for the Tourney island shot...probably Friday after work (waiting til Saturday morning might be cutting it too close!). If you're not going to Moody's please come to the Dress Rehearsal....if you're mailing in registration get it in the mail today! If you're planning on signing up Saturday morning, that's fine....just remember that it will be $5 extra! Not too many people pre-registered, so we're hoping people are going to come out Saturday morning...see you there!

[bmugwump]

If anybody's following the States thread, then you've heard that "The Dragon" hole has been messed with by the park manager & that we can no longer tee off where it's always been. We will be forced to play the new tee for the Dress Rehearsal this Saturday, which also made it necessary to change another box on the tourney course (#3 I think). I work for Harris County & am trying to contact the Commissioner's office to see if they will change their minds about this stuff, but we'll have to play the new ones this weekend & wait & see what happens for States.

[Imnotobsessed]

You da man, BG! This definitely strange that for 12 years it wasn't a problem...

[scoot_er]

You da man, BG! This definitely strange that for 12 years it wasn't a problem...


Also strange coming from a group that can't even keep the Wilmont mowed.

[bmugwump]

True dat, Matt!

[DPdiscer]

Parks dept. said they would mow fairway strips with a smaller mower on Thurs and Fri before the tourney. Somebody just needs to tell the driver where the fairway is. We can do that.

[bmugwump]

Remember folks...we are taking day-of registration now (for a $5 extra fee) so if you missed signing up online you can still play. If there are any of you out there reading this who want to save the five bucks, Chuck & I will be out at Bass this afternoon doing some work & possibly playing a few holes. He should be out there earlier than me, but I'm coming after work & will get over there sometime between 5 & 5:30....I'll have registration forms & change if anybody would like to meet us & sign up. If you are reading this post, you might want to go the States thread & print out a copy of ERic's map for the courses. If you have a color printer the different courses are highlighted in different colors. I could bring copies of the map tomorrow, but they would be in black & white & probably confusing. Bear with us tomorrow trying to navigate around tees & holes that many of us have never played before. Also note that, if you do print up the map, a couple of holes have changed & will not be reflected on that particular map....namely the Dragon hole & the one after that.

[ERicJ]

Black & White printable map is here:
http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/TxSDGC2009_map_sat_bw.jpg

Note that the following holes have been changed and are NOT reflected on this version of the map: T2-T4 and T16. (And Wilmont #13-14 which will NOT be played at the Dress Rehearsal.)

ERic

[bmugwump]

Thanks, ERic! I'll bring some copies tomorrow for those who did not get it here....

[ERicJ]

Apparently the fake lake OB on Powell-States #2 is going away now too, fyi.

[bmugwump]

Thanks to all who came out yesterday for the Dress Rehearsal...we had 76 players, which was a pretty good turnout considering Moody's was the same weekend! Taking walk-ups pushed us back a little bit...not to mention a longer-than-usual players meeting (out of neccesity)....but all in all, considering we had to take a longer lunch to shuffle baskets around I think everything went fairly well. There could have been more signage (like there will be for States) to help players navigate around a little better, but I still think everybody had a good time....and a great opportunity to play those two courses the way they'll be played at States!

[_d_g_]

always a blast!!!

and sam needs to mooooooooooove up! :D

[LOU18132]

Congrats to Pablo Williams, old buddy he be. :D
Come on dg they just played over their ratings like they should, second round was not to good to ya.
Congrats to Pecherhead Kim, as long as the knees hold up he can still play some golf.
Boora to Kimhaker !!!!!!!!!!!
Don't sweat it Neal, Legends is just around the corner.

[Mrbradyhas6]

DG,
I had fun and I was glad to see you on the final card. I didnt think you would have made it after the whoopin I gave you at pleasure island. (lol) I am looking forward to the next challenge. I still wish I had y'all's back hand throw. Maybe I will teach you guys the art of a flick shot. Than again, maybe not. I dont want to start losing to you. See you later.

[DGJesús]

A big THANK YOU to the Birdshot crew for another well run tournament with a well rounded group of players.

If that was dress rehearsal for states, I might be looking for one of those volunteer spots. There was a little girl that played the last 3 holes with us using a paper plate. She would have taken me by 2 strokes but I penalized her 1 stroke per hole for the ketchup stain on her plate. That's an altered disc in my book.

A year ago, the 2nd round usually meant seeing my name on the top card with Jubin, Brogdon, Mad Man Curry and even Petre a time or two when he played sober. Fast forward a year later and my rating is 17 points lower, the 2nd round found me on the bottom card with a 13 year old named Hunter and an older gentleman that goes by "Tongue." I went with "Hey you" but that was about as close as I could get to calling a grown man "Tongue" and I wasn't going to do it 18 times. No offense, Alan.

Hunter and I were going at it neck and neck and I got a little concerned. We rounded hole #16 and I reminded little Hunter than no one could see us way back there and I pointed to a black van in the parking lot across the street. Hunter's game surprisingly diminished after that. We ended up tied but fortunately it was already past Hunter's bed time and I took 3rd to dead last all by myself. Who's yo Daddy!!

Thanks again Birdshot!! I'm looking forward to States. Bring it on little Hunter, I'm not that afraid of you now!!

p.s. CJ is a midget and I have proof.

[DNez2001]

so for those of us unfortunate enough not to make it, are there scores posted somewhere?

Nez

[ChingLizard]

Yeah Nez - I think that they are posted up on the PDGA tournament results area. Are you going to make it for States?

[ERicJ]

Nice round by new-to-Houston Cpaquette (http://hfds.org/vbull/member.php?u=425) in INT. Playing on his card really opened my eyes to what a big leftie course Powell-States is... :(

And Griff tore up the second round on top INT card. Smokin' round.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8622&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Intermediate

IIRC Moody (Tourney #6) and Payne (Tourney #3) split the Ace Pot.

ERic

[scoot_er]

Nice round by new-to-Houston Cpaquette (http://hfds.org/vbull/member.php?u=425) in INT. Playing on his card really opened my eyes to what a big leftie course Powell-States is... :(

And Griff tore up the second round on top INT card. Smokin' round.

http://www.pdga.com/tournament-results?TournID=8622&year=2009&include_ratings=1#Intermediate

IIRC Moody (Tourney #6) and Payne (Tourney #3) split the Ace Pot.

ERic

Powell is neutral if you ask me. Most of the wooded birdie holes are rightie hyzers which are tough to bend as a lefty.

[rcazares]

SuperGirl (Nicole) had a great time playing in the Rec Men's division at the tournament. She thought everyone she played with was very nice. She also thought it was cool that there were three 13 year olds playing in the Rec Men's division. Nicole and C.J. both cashed, and Hunter showed some real potential. We had a fun time and I want to thank the Birdshot crew for a fun tournament.

Rick

[ERicJ]

Powell is neutral if you ask me. Most of the wooded birdie holes are rightie hyzers which are tough to bend as a lefty.
Hmmm... I guess you must just be way better than me because I counted 11 holes on Powell-States (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/TxSDGC2009_map_sat.jpg) that I'd rather be throwing left-handed. Only one hole that I thought favored righties (#14) and six that were neutral.

How many holes do you consider "wooded birdie holes" on Powell-States?

[derek]

hey if you wanna throw like a lefty i got some discs that will solve that no problem :D

[Imnotobsessed]

Wow! Great job Birdshot! I don't think we will ever see better conditions for TSDGC at Bass park. I likes it dry!

I volunteer to make some graphics so that the States tourney has visual aids for the out-of-townies.

[scoot_er]

Hmmm... I guess you must just be way better than me because I counted 11 holes on Powell-States (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/TxSDGC2009_map_sat.jpg) that I'd rather be throwing left-handed. Only one hole that I thought favored righties (#14) and six that were neutral.

How many holes do you consider "wooded birdie holes" on Powell-States?


Ok i know there has been some changes lately but #10-12 14.

Now if you are counting holes like #2 which are slight anhyzers and wide open I would say they are still neitral based on the fact they are wide open.

Maybe it is time to learn that turnover shot.

Hole 1- Now I personally feel it is lefty friendly only if they can throw a 420ft hyzer but if not a righty is better off because they have a nice roller and distance anhyzer line.

Hole 3- easier for a lefty but still open.

Hole 4- turns right but easuer for a righty to reach.

Hole 5- Short but it is an easy lefty hyzer.

Hole-6 Little easier for a lefty (they don't worry about the tree on the right) but they may skip off farther and into the ditch.

Hole 7- hyzer for anyone

Hole 8- neutral

Hole 9- Easier for a righty to drive but an easier left handed upshot.

Hole -10- Righty hyzer

11-righty hyzer

12- righty hyzer

13 Neutral

14- little easier for a righty if I remember right

15- Neutral

16- Neutral

17- Lefty does have a hyzer line

18- Easier for a righty to go for it but besides that neutral

Wilmont starts out with 3 hard lefty holes

[scoot_er]

Hmmm... I guess you must just be way better than me because I counted 11 holes on Powell-States (http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/TxSDGC2009_map_sat.jpg) that I'd rather be throwing left-handed. Only one hole that I thought favored righties (#14) and six that were neutral.

How many holes do you consider "wooded birdie holes" on Powell-States?


BTW that was Reg Powell but the alts are pretty neutral with the OB being a little easier to stay away from for a lefty.

[ERicJ]

BTW that was Reg Powell but the alts are pretty neutral with the OB being a little easier to stay away from for a lefty.
Like I said... there's 11 holes on Powell-States that I'd rather be throwing lefty if I had a choice. 11 vs. 1 with 6 ties is a leftie friendly course in my opinion.

ERic

[LOU18132]

It was designed that way to make right handed players learn an Anhyzer, many years ago. Thanks Don !!

[scoot_er]

Like I said... there's 11 holes on Powell-States that I'd rather be throwing lefty if I had a choice. 11 vs. 1 with 6 ties is a leftie friendly course in my opinion.

ERic


1 righty hole? wow I must be WAY better than you.:)

[ERicJ]

1 righty hole? wow I must be WAY better than you.:)
About 13 strokes a round if you believe the PDGA.

[scoot_er]

About 13 strokes a round if you believe the PDGA.


LOL nice!

Anyway I just wouldn't call if a lefty course due to the fact the holes are so open and there are only a few where a lefty can go a better line.

[ERicJ]

It was designed that way to make right handed players learn an Anhyzer, many years ago. Thanks Don !!
Funny you say that... based on the map in the pavilion (which I'm guessing is the original design) I see at most just seven holes that remain unchanged from today's regular Powell layout.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Powell_original_design.jpg

[scoot_er]

Funny you say that... based on the map in the pavilion (which I'm guessing is the original design) I see at most just seven holes that remain unchanged from today's regular Powell layout.

http://i136.photobucket.com/albums/q193/ejubin/Powell_original_design.jpg


Probably more like 8-10 if you include new box locations on 2 holes.

[LOU18132]

Only four holes really remain the same from the original design.

[TBender]

Powell - States

#1 - False Lefty (ie, Righty anhyzer is the better shot to reach the green)
#2 - Open
#3 - Open
#4 - Lefty
#5 - Open
#6 - Righty
#7 - Open
#8 - Open
#9 - Open
#10 - False Lefty
#11 - Open
#12 - Open
#13 - Open
#14 - Righty
#15 - Open
#16 - Open
#17 - Lefty
#18 - Open

4 Lefty (all but #17 is open though)
2 Righty (harder wooded holes)

Maybe some folks need to learn to throw straight and not hyzer, hyzer, hyzer?

[LOU18132]

I've seen 4 parked by more right hand players than lefty. Maybe because no lefties can throw that far. :D

[scoot_er]

I've seen 4 parked by more right hand players than lefty. Maybe because no lefties can throw that far. :D


He is talking states format though. I agree that Reg #4 is easier to reach for a righty as they can flex something while a lefty would have to hyzer the whole way.

[BigBeard]

Chuck, Billy, and the rest of the Birdshot Crew,

Ya'll did a great job. For those that are playing states, good luck (wish I didn't have to work). I don't think I could have done 2 days of that walking.

Thanks again for all you do for houston disc golf.

BB

[TBender]

He is talking states format though. I agree that Reg #4 is easier to reach for a righty as they can flex something while a lefty would have to hyzer the whole way.

Exactly. Reg #4 is States #10..."False Lefty"

Unless we hyzer something way right, lefties have to navigate the trees on the approach. Righties can flex something and have a simple hyzer upshot around the trees.

States #4 is actually a better righty hole when the wind is flipped (coming from NW, not usual SE), but overall it's an easy 3 (or should be).